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Letter from the employer…what could it be?!

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AnxietyLevelMax · 14/01/2024 08:15

Letter has been sent out to all of the employees asking to attend a meeting on xxx day to update us on “current business position and proposed changes” and also stating “there will be no information provided prior to the meeting”…. Sounds scary!
what it could be? Company is not making losses. HR director who usually works from
home far away and only in the office few days a month has been rented a flat next to the company to be in the office daily for some
time now…everyone got a bonus in December cause company met the threshold (+200 employees)… has anyone had similar?

OP posts:
barcodey · 14/01/2024 09:44

We had this recently.

We went into consultation.

AnxietyLevelMax · 14/01/2024 09:47

I will update on Wednesday. Most likely will go grey by then🫣

OP posts:
VisionsOfSplendour · 14/01/2024 09:48

barcodey · 14/01/2024 09:44

We had this recently.

We went into consultation.

Was your employer in financial difficulties or making profits?

Daisymae55 · 14/01/2024 09:50

We had this a few months back and I felt sick with worry. Turned out the business had been sold and we had new owners. We all still stayed employed

Theatrefan12 · 14/01/2024 09:51

VisionsOfSplendour · 14/01/2024 09:42

200 UK employees being made redundant in a profitabke business doesn't seem likely for a top 100 US owner. Any financial troubles would be public knowledge surely

Not necessarily. For us it came completely out of the blue. In hindsight the indicators were there but not obvious at the time

IbizaToTheNorfolkBroads · 14/01/2024 09:52

Aquisition or sale. No info prior to the mtg so the wider market direct find out.

HelpMeGetThrough · 14/01/2024 09:54

barcodey · 14/01/2024 09:44

We had this recently.

We went into consultation.

With the one we've just had, we'd just posted record profits and ever since I've been there, which is over a decade, we have never made a loss and the company has grown massively.

They just decided to remove two layers of management, it was a manager/director bloodbath.

Tarantella6 · 14/01/2024 09:54

In my experience of US companies every so often they get worked up about their global footprint and try to consolidate sites. So it could be that.

If you're being sold it will take ages and the new owner is unlikely to make any snap decisions so that isn't an immediate problem at all, it's probably a 2025 problem.

VisionsOfSplendour · 14/01/2024 09:56

Theatrefan12 · 14/01/2024 09:51

Not necessarily. For us it came completely out of the blue. In hindsight the indicators were there but not obvious at the time

In a public company? I don't know about US company law but I used to work in a UK large listed business and I'm sure we were told that they had to make sure that unexpected low profits had to be disclosed

Maybe it's different now

HelpMeGetThrough · 14/01/2024 09:58

it's probably a 2025 problem.

When we've made acquisitions, if they are going to cut staff, it's done pretty rapidly.

When the M & A Team turn up with HR to an office, you know what's about to happen.

Illbefinejustbloodyfine · 14/01/2024 09:59

I hope its a positive OP. Fwiw, my work place do this. They call "Extraordinary" meetings, everyone worries, then it's nothing to worry about at all.

berksandbeyond · 14/01/2024 10:02

I’ve been through this twice with ‘mandatory all company meetings’
1st time was a sale and mass redundancy (I got made redundant)
2nd time the business was sold and no redundancies / head count reduction (touch wood)

The insane thing to me is how much notice you’ve been given. In the first situation due to the company being listed on the stock exchange they messaged us at 7.30am to attend a meeting at 9am.. but it was too late because it was already in the press that a sale had taken place at midnight.
Second time they emailed at 9.30am to ask us to attend the meeting at 10am. The CEO deliberately said not to give more than 30 mins notice as they didn’t want us panicking for hours and dwelling on it! A letter telling you to attend something NEXT WEEK is beyond cruel (and old fashioned!)
A friend has just gone through the same thing and was told at 9am to attend meeting at 2pm. Redundancies announce and her colleagues in the US were let go immediately.

Wheresthefibre · 14/01/2024 10:05

AnxietyLevelMax · 14/01/2024 08:59

@tanstaafl nope, nothing. Everything is out of the blue. We are owned by a huge US company (one from the 100 us company list)

Is it a company in the same industry or Private Equity?

FrenchFancie · 14/01/2024 10:07

I’ve had a nearly identical letter sent, except our meeting is last thing this Thursday coming up. Honestly think it’s redundancies - especially because big boss came to our site this week and is usually very jolly, talking to all the lowly employees, but wouldn’t even acknowledge our existence this week. Suspect I’m for the chop on Thursday and it’s not a nice feeling at all….

Babybaby09 · 14/01/2024 10:09

Whenever this happens in the company I work for it’s redundancies, just because the company is doing ok financially doesn’t mean someone at the top hasn’t asked for more profit/streamlining. When my company last did this my division got a bonus and payrise still. It might be positioned as ‘safeguarding for the future’. But it’s not always all staff that are impacted anyway so you might be fine OP.

rainbowstardrops · 14/01/2024 10:12

I've got no experience of this but just wanted to try and support you with kind words. It would be easy to say don't worry until you know something but that's impossible. Well it would be for me!
I hope it isn't redundancies and you'll be fine Flowers

JoyeuxNarwhal · 14/01/2024 10:13

When it happened to me it was redundancies and later (different organisation) merger.

Redundancy did me a massive favour and changed my career path completely.

Savoury · 14/01/2024 10:13

If the meeting is around 1pm UK time, then it’s a sale/restructure as a US listed company can’t leak information before it is revealed to the market. Such information is normally revealed just before the market opens.
If the meeting is in the morning, I’m going to say redundancies. Sorry if this is the case.

BlowDryRat · 14/01/2024 10:14

It seems really unfair of your company to wreck people's weekends like this. Just put a "Town Hall" meeting invitation in everyone's calendars and send the letter out for Monday or Tuesday.

NigelHarmansNewWife · 14/01/2024 10:17

AyeRightYeAre · 14/01/2024 09:40

I heard they try to deliver the worst information on a Friday then leave for the weekend

Bad employers do this.

Good employers avoid Fridays to ebsthat people are left over the weekend without the chance to ask questions or be supported.

I was going to post exactly this. This kind of thing should never be delivered so people stew on it and worry over the weekend.

Choux · 14/01/2024 10:20

AnxietyLevelMax · 14/01/2024 08:59

@tanstaafl nope, nothing. Everything is out of the blue. We are owned by a huge US company (one from the 100 us company list)

Now you have given a bit more info I think it could be a Management Buy Out where the UK management raise the finance to buy the company from its' huge US owner. Why I think that:

The HR person / team will have to redo everyone's contract as they have a new employer so has a flat locally to facilitate this.

The FD knows what it is but is sworn to secrecy. He would have been heavily involved in providing the financial data to enable the Mgmt team to get the funding for the buy out. He might even be one of the new owners.

You work in payroll and finance and have been offered more work. The new contracts for everyone might include new pay levels, benefits, commission levels etc and that will all need to be processed. An ongoing company needs more payroll admin than a company where people are about to be made redundant.

It might not be bad news at all.

mynewusername2023 · 14/01/2024 10:34

When I was made redundant, I was sent a message and asked to pop into a meeting room. Went in and my two big bosses and HRa were there and I was handed a letter and told I was potentially going to be made redundant.

There were 4 in our department in total but not any from any other department. Biggest shock ever.

Pookerrod · 14/01/2024 10:36

Choux · 14/01/2024 10:20

Now you have given a bit more info I think it could be a Management Buy Out where the UK management raise the finance to buy the company from its' huge US owner. Why I think that:

The HR person / team will have to redo everyone's contract as they have a new employer so has a flat locally to facilitate this.

The FD knows what it is but is sworn to secrecy. He would have been heavily involved in providing the financial data to enable the Mgmt team to get the funding for the buy out. He might even be one of the new owners.

You work in payroll and finance and have been offered more work. The new contracts for everyone might include new pay levels, benefits, commission levels etc and that will all need to be processed. An ongoing company needs more payroll admin than a company where people are about to be made redundant.

It might not be bad news at all.

I work in M&A and I agree with this.

I think it’s either an MBO or an acquisition of another company that will be brought into your company for expansion.

As you are in finance/payroll you or your boss would have likely had suspicions before now if your company was being sold as there would have been financial due diligence taking place over the past couple of months.

HR being based locally for the foreseeable means widespread consultations so contracts will be changing. But those consultations could be with the company being bought, not necessarily your company.

bobomomo · 14/01/2024 10:39

This happened when my firm restructured, we merged with another division and there were multiple layoffs. I worked in hr and acted as the managing director's pa as required so knew ahead as I prepared all the paperwork and the PowerPoint - it was a long 5 days from finding out myself until it being public

MacLaine · 14/01/2024 10:39

Intriguing…