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Are affairs super common?

197 replies

User5512 · 13/01/2024 23:09

Every other joke is about 🙄 affairs! Are affairs that common? I thought something like this would be scandalous in my friendship circles, but I heard the other day about a someone I know breaking up with her good friend as she developed feelings for the husband 😳They are 40 ffs !!

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SheFliesLikeABirdInTheSky · 14/01/2024 12:27

Very common. Men rarely leave the wives though, as they're too chicken shit and spineless to do it. As a pp said, they want to have their cake and eat it. Want little wifey at home, doing the grunt work and childcare and housework and life admin, whilst they shag their affair partner, and have exciting illicit encounters with them.

When married women have affairs it's because they are unhappy in their marriage, and their husband is substandard, and makes her miserable. Married men have affairs because they can, as as I said, they rarely leave the wife. Especially as basically, life will be no different with the new woman/affair partner.

Some unhappily married women will leave and be alone, but unhappily married men just shag around, and stick with the wife, because it's easier. Occasionally they will leave for the other woman. BUT, they will never leave and be alone, because men cannot be alone. They cannot cope alone. Women are much stronger than men.

SundaeChild · 14/01/2024 12:29

FrancisSeaton · 14/01/2024 12:19

No but it's the misogynistic hyperbolic way you do so.
If he kept his dick in his pants is the main issue

Misogynist? You’re talking to a gran here! Totally agree if he kept his dick in his pants…but he doesn’t…and she could stop providing a receptacle for it.

FrancisSeaton · 14/01/2024 12:30

SheFliesLikeABirdInTheSky · 14/01/2024 12:27

Very common. Men rarely leave the wives though, as they're too chicken shit and spineless to do it. As a pp said, they want to have their cake and eat it. Want little wifey at home, doing the grunt work and childcare and housework and life admin, whilst they shag their affair partner, and have exciting illicit encounters with them.

When married women have affairs it's because they are unhappy in their marriage, and their husband is substandard, and makes her miserable. Married men have affairs because they can, as as I said, they rarely leave the wife. Especially as basically, life will be no different with the new woman/affair partner.

Some unhappily married women will leave and be alone, but unhappily married men just shag around, and stick with the wife, because it's easier. Occasionally they will leave for the other woman. BUT, they will never leave and be alone, because men cannot be alone. They cannot cope alone. Women are much stronger than men.

Bit of a generalisations- the women I know who've had affairs have had a perfectly nice but dull marriage and also want that bit of fun on the side whilst maintaining the perfect illusion of family life

Waitingfordoggo · 14/01/2024 12:32

FrancisSeaton · 14/01/2024 12:24

So many people are capable of having an affair. People you'd never know expect. People you love, people you respect. People you socialise with/work with/go to church with/you brother /sister/ aunt /uncle- the sweet old lady behind the post office counter. Are they all evil morally bankrupt tossers or just flawed humans fulfilling some kind of need they are lacking?

Well yes, they do have shit morals IMO, no matter how sweet and nice they are in other respects.

Dweetfidilove · 14/01/2024 12:32

SundaeChild · 14/01/2024 12:11

If you clamped your legs shut @Ameliasdragon, would he still be with you?
🤔
I think not.

You are right as she’s explicitly said they’re enjoying a sexual relationship, not an otherwise committed one.

I presume she’d throw him back as well if he stopped performing.

Royalbloo · 14/01/2024 12:35

As a single Mum with a busy life I'd actually like someone to shag and have a laugh with without all of the emotion and nonsense, so I do get why some women decide this is an option. I don't have time for a committed full time relationship and I don't want someone in my home all the time or to have to do their washing or listen to them whinge about their day.

I'm not sleeping with anyone but I do get why single busy women might...just a thought from the other side...

Dweetfidilove · 14/01/2024 12:39

Menomeno · 14/01/2024 12:23

My exHB’s arbitrary timescale must have been about 8 hours 🙈

His ridiculous ‘justifications’ included “You never scream during sex like they do on porn”. (Very difficult to scream with five kids in the house); “You wouldn’t let me have anal sex” (I had previously been attacked and anally raped, so it wasn’t something I was prepared to do); “You just don’t seem to enjoy sex as much as the women on porn”. He was also a porn addict, and most of his justifications centred around him believing that a normal healthy sex life should be just like porn. 🙄

The absolute irony is that it was me who was unsatisfied with our vanilla sex-life. I’d always suggest ways we could spice things up, and he’d look at me like I was a dirty little tart for wanting more. The truth was that he believed a wife should be ‘pure’ and virginal, and exciting sex was something you did with people outside the marriage. He was a bona fide misogynist.

I’m so glad you got away from this horribly demented person. He sounds a danger to others, not even your regular sexually incontinent pig ☹️.

Thankfully you’ve managed to rebuild yourself and hopefully your relationship with your children 💐

Willyoujustbequiet · 14/01/2024 12:43

HRTQueen · 14/01/2024 09:27

Yes it’s always been this way

I think there are probably more affairs now or people being unfaithful as it’s so easy to get to know someone with old, the use of phones/sm etc

I think the vast majority of men will have a no strings affair if they could get away with it

I disagree

I think past a certain age most men really couldn't be arsed lol. Women on the other hand...

Waitingfordoggo · 14/01/2024 12:45

@Royalbloo But why would it have to be a married man? Surely there are plenty of single men who want no-strings sex?

daliesque · 14/01/2024 12:50

Loads where I work - hospitals are rife with it. I tend to have a lot of people confessing to me about their affairs too, probably because it is well known that my partner left his first wife for me several years ago, so I'm safe to confide in.

People have affairs for many reasons. My partner because he'd married young, had kids young and they grew apart. Other people because their husband or wife didn't want sex any more. Others because their marriage was cold and with no intimacy or the wife spends all her time with the kids and ignores her husband.

We never really know what goes on in someone else's marriage/relationship. Sometimes the other person in the relationship doesn't always know. Judging is easy, but narrow minded and intolerant and personally I'd rather have people in my lives who weren't so perfect and judgemental.

Blondebutnotlegally · 14/01/2024 12:57

Tiredhungry · 14/01/2024 09:29

It’s not naivety, it’s basic human kindness.

You are naive / kidding yourself that you aren’t doing anything wrong.

People who have affairs - as a married person or as the other person - are the lowest common denominator

You obviously have no idea of the devastation infidelity causes. It literally destroys the betrayed person.
They and their family will never be the same again.

I just think this is such a narrow minded perspective.

It absolutely does hurt. However, more complicated than you make it out to be. It annoys me that people see affairs as the "worst thing you could ever do, scum blah blah blah!!!" But seem to think talking to your partner like shit 365 days a year is way better. Or not helping them with the housework which causes immense stress. Or being controlling. All of which can heavily ruin someone's day to day happiness.

They aren't nice, but ultimately that fuzzy, primal feeling you get when you meet the love of your life aged 25, that sexual drive you feel when you want them, doesn't suddenly disappear when you are 50, have been married for 25 years and just met someone you click with, whilst your husband/wife at home cba with sex anymore and doesn't like buying you flowers/organising days out/giving you attention because they are busy or tired or prioritising their hobby. We as humans have different levels of this desire, maybe if you have never felt this way you are super happy still, or maybe biologically it doesn't give you the same thrill.

To sit there and say everyone who does it is scum, is just..... Illogical and baseless.

Wonderfulstuff · 14/01/2024 13:02

Back in the day I used to work in a male dominated environment where we needed to be away from home quite a bit. 6/7 men in my team either had affairs, one night stands or spent time with sex workers. It was totally normalised and gross. They all had lovely partners who had no idea what shitbags they were married to.

2024GarlicCloves · 14/01/2024 13:06

Waitingfordoggo · 14/01/2024 12:45

@Royalbloo But why would it have to be a married man? Surely there are plenty of single men who want no-strings sex?

If the sex is good, most single men want to become a couple. The kind of man who has a mistress knows the limits, and looks for a woman who knows them too.

For the same reason, affairs between married partners can run for decades.

TygerPassant · 14/01/2024 13:06

Ladyj84 · 14/01/2024 10:50

Not known of any in our large circle of family and friends, the majority are happily married. Why have an affair, work at your marriage instead

Or you just don’t know, because the affairs are successfully hidden?

SundaeChild · 14/01/2024 13:08

It can be argued @Blonde they could leave the marriage before embarking on a new relationship rather than have an affair.
@Menomeno What an utter bastard he was to you. x

SilverBranchGoldenPears · 14/01/2024 13:14

Nearly everyone I’ve ever met has been unfaithful.
I think monogamy is not the norm even though society pushes people in that box.

I think it reduces beyond a certain age sure but in your twenties? I think you’d have to be in la la land to expect loyalty. Yes there are exceptions but they are literally just that

KimberleyClark · 14/01/2024 13:19

FrancisSeaton · 14/01/2024 12:30

Bit of a generalisations- the women I know who've had affairs have had a perfectly nice but dull marriage and also want that bit of fun on the side whilst maintaining the perfect illusion of family life

This. I read an article by a married woman having an affair with a married man, both with children, in her friendship group. She wasn’t unhappily married,neither was he, neither wanted to leave their matrriages,just wanted to have their cake and eat it. It was such a smug self satisfied article.

Holidayhell22 · 14/01/2024 13:20

It’s extremely common.
Just because people don’t tell everyone they know does not mean it does not happen.

KimberleyClark · 14/01/2024 13:20

2024GarlicCloves · 14/01/2024 13:06

If the sex is good, most single men want to become a couple. The kind of man who has a mistress knows the limits, and looks for a woman who knows them too.

For the same reason, affairs between married partners can run for decades.

Yes because both have an equal amount to lose.

Holidayhell22 · 14/01/2024 13:24

There are also many, many people who have children and then split up. Perhaps that is due to infidelity? Who knows.
The ‘neclear’ family where all siblings are fully related and mum and dad stay together forever is on the whole rare.
Of course people will say non of my friends or their partners have cheated but you really don’t know that for definite.
I can think of many couple where I’ve or both of them have cheated.

Blondebutnotlegally · 14/01/2024 13:27

SundaeChild · 14/01/2024 13:08

It can be argued @Blonde they could leave the marriage before embarking on a new relationship rather than have an affair.
@Menomeno What an utter bastard he was to you. x

Yeah but splitting up a whole family is no easy decision. To do so before real feelings have developed may feel premature to many. Many may feel like the itch just needs scratching to be happy. And many more reasons, because human emotions/thought processes aren't black and white

Holidayhell22 · 14/01/2024 13:29

In the same light I have know women leave their violent partner and not one single person was remotely aware that he was violent. It has been covered up for years.

Plenty of coupled up men also use sex workers and prostituted women. Dh has worked with a few. Their wives are seemingly oblivious.

SundaeChild · 14/01/2024 13:40

As is often said on MN @Blonde if there’s a problem in the marriage it should be discussed with an attempt to resolve. The itch of unhappiness/lack of contentment is there in black and white. This is not a matter of nuance or the complexity of human emotion.
For some it is a case of having your cake and eating it which is selfish and irresponsible.

QueenMegan · 14/01/2024 13:50

I know no female friends who have had affairs.
I have never had one. As a teenager a married man took me out on a date and I left when I found out tbe old dog.

Blondebutnotlegally · 14/01/2024 14:05

SundaeChild · 14/01/2024 13:40

As is often said on MN @Blonde if there’s a problem in the marriage it should be discussed with an attempt to resolve. The itch of unhappiness/lack of contentment is there in black and white. This is not a matter of nuance or the complexity of human emotion.
For some it is a case of having your cake and eating it which is selfish and irresponsible.

Firstly, not everyone is self aware enough to be able to face their flaws within a marriage. These issues being brought up can fall on deaf ears.

Secondly, it's absolutely not necessarily there in black and white.

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