To vaccinate newborn or not

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I know this is a very sensitive subject, but i’m asking please for FACTS only - I don’t want answers like ‘because the NHS recommends you to vaccinate your baby etc’

Id like to point out i’m not ‘anti vax’ as such, but covid really opened my eyes to researching vaccines etc i’ve done my own research on whether i should be vaccinating my newborn but it’s hard to find unbiased facts.

What I don’t like, is the pressure that is put on us to do as we’re told with our babies. I don’t like the constant reminders, the phone calls and the pressure to vaccinate - it all feels like a box ticking exercise not because the NHS are actually worried about my baby.

Please be kind, I really am confused about this and would love some different perspectives

Vaccines, including the Covid vaccine, are safe and necessary. In my opinion, choosing not to vaccinate your child is akin to neglect.

Yup. I’m a bit younger (59), but kids in callipers were commonplace when I was a child. My friend is blind in one eye because of measles.

@bew96 aw mate you’ve been brainwashed by right wing nonsense peddlers :/

You've been lucky , your kids are ok because of other people's kids being vaccinated.
I'd be embarrassed to say this out loud.

we split them all and did our own vaccine schedule so as not to overwhelm dd . More appts but no reactions

I’m glad that you have a resounding answer and have decided to get your baby vaccinated! It’s not only the best thing for them, but for everyone they come in contact with.
I’m sorry that some people have been cruel. A lot of damage has been done/lives lost because of misinformation. I hope the reaction you’ve received won’t put you off from seeking clarity in the future. It’s tough being a new mum, you are wearing your heart outside of your body and just want the best for your baby x

I didn’t. Fewer times she had to be stuck with a needle, no reactions. As is the case for almost everyone.

Ffs the NHs recommended it , end of ! What more do you need to know?

You are an anti-vaxer loon if you think you need "to do your own research"

How can you, a lay person, which no access to actual research papers or laboratory or several PhD's discover something that government scientists have overlooked ???

And she's giving "expert opinion" on vaccinations when she didn't complete her undergraduate degree in journalism, has a career in admin and is a prominent pro-Trump advocate?

And people think she is more trustworthy than umpteen medical doctors and PhDs working for the NHS?

Really is not hope for some people is there?

This thread seems to have all of a sudden cropped up again so felt it would be a good idea to update…I did get my baby vaccinated. Thank you to all of those that took the time to be kind and helpful with their responses - it certainly was a very positive eye opener.

What I will say is i can’t believe the level of rudeness that has also come with this post - it’s not normal or OK to name call just because someone has asked for advice on something.

If that was the case would I present myself on a forum that is known for being very hostile at times, in order to receive help on the matter?

The NHS is on its knees, money is tight and many things can’t be achieved BUT yet they continue paying millions of pounds a year to provide these vaccines for babies because ultimately they save lives not because they fancy offering them to tick a box.

Does anyone else read the “I’ve done my research” shit by anti vaxxers the same as me as in

”IvE dOnE mY rEsEaRCh”

🤣🤣🤣

My older dc did and quite severely so we decided to spilt them all up for dd and no reactions. It’s probably rare but that’s how it is with our dc so was better to do it that way

Well that’s different isn’t it? And information you should have included in your first post.

I had a baby then too. I had him vaccinated. It wasn't a hard decision.

@confusedaboutclothes

I haven’t rtft so don’t know the extent of negative comments.

However, I would hazard a guess that people feel outraged at people not vaccinating their children because it jeopardises the success of the vaccine drive… opening up a window for emergence of disease, setting up outbreaks and thus the potential for a pathogen to change rendering the vaccine less effective and putting everyone’s children at risk.

For instance we now have measles outbreaks threatening the population because of groups of people in London and the West Midlands choosing to not vaccinate their kids.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-68007804.amp

Yes, it's not a personal decision, your decision impacts other people.

Someone upthread said "every vaccine comes with a list of possible side effects & risks (all that can be found online by the way, for free)" - as with literally any medical, including calpol. You don't need to search around for this online, your health care provider will be happy to provide it if you ask.

Because it's not a conspiracy!

You are fortunately too young to have grown up seeing the effects of polio - children wearing callipers are super rare now. I remember seeing lots as a child.

Teenage boys who got mumps were often left infertile.

Not to mention hearing loss due to measles, unborn babies affected by German measles (rubella).

Then there is TB. I could go on.

Our only experience of TB now is probably on Call The Midwife.

Give your child the entirely free gift of health.

But it’s an option for anyone so my circumstances to some extent are irrelevant. My gp and older dc consultant both said to me that as long as the vaccinations for 8,12,16 weeks were done before age 1 it didn’t matter if they were late as long as we started on time and they advised to have a different one each time then move to boosters and to do some 2 weeks apart me others 4 weeks apart. They told us there wasn’t any difference so not to worry about the official schedule

@Ceramicvase research shows that splitting doses reduces the number of complete vaccinations, so where there are no contraindications combined vaccinations are better.

I would strongly suggest to just hide the thread. You got what you needed from it in the original case and people will just continue to be dicks and argue between themselves and insult you/each other without reading the whole thread.

The thread was bumped yesterday by an antivaxxer with an agenda, it will happen again in the future because threads like this show up on google searches.

You've done the right thing. No good will come from continuing to read replies. It was gracious of you to give an update but I'd hide it. You don't need to justify either your final decision or the original thread to anyone

Here's bit of good news. Candace Owens has been fired from her job at the Daily Wire for spreading anti-semitic conspiracy theories and for smearing a Rabbi and his daughter.

Candace Owens out at Daily Wire after host endorsed theory about rabbis ‘drinking Christian blood’

So she's an anti-semite as well as an anti-vaxxer. And all around nutter.

I suggest you find some old churchyards to wander around - with graves from the 19th century. Why do you imagine that some such graves mention two, three, or even more children from the same family all dying within a very few weeks?

Could it possibly be because of epidemics of measles, diphtheria etc., for which there were then no vaccines?

Just going to add to this and play the devil's advocate. I am a healthy 26 Yr old who has never had a single vaccine, ever. Now, this was because my two older brothers had severe adverse reactions to their baby vaccines, and then when I came along they decided not to vaccinate me. It is highly possible to let a baby develop their own immunity without vaccines.
Also, I personally knew someone who had vaccine injuries. They were a healthy, normal developing baby and when they had their baby jabs, they became profoundly disabled, non-verbal, wheelchair, lost all mobility and motor skills, etc etc and eventually passed away. Which was extremely sad. So don't fool yourselves in thinking that vaccine injuries don't occur, because they DO. Rarely, but they do. And don't get me started on the covid vaccine....