To vaccinate newborn or not

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I know this is a very sensitive subject, but i’m asking please for FACTS only - I don’t want answers like ‘because the NHS recommends you to vaccinate your baby etc’

Id like to point out i’m not ‘anti vax’ as such, but covid really opened my eyes to researching vaccines etc i’ve done my own research on whether i should be vaccinating my newborn but it’s hard to find unbiased facts.

What I don’t like, is the pressure that is put on us to do as we’re told with our babies. I don’t like the constant reminders, the phone calls and the pressure to vaccinate - it all feels like a box ticking exercise not because the NHS are actually worried about my baby.

Please be kind, I really am confused about this and would love some different perspectives

"To vaccinate newborn or not"

My answer to that would be a simple yes, because vaccines save lives

@triballeader Thank you so much for explaining. I am so sorry for your husband and hope he can stay safe and his health improves.

Please remember that vaccination is not just a personal issue. We need a high percentage vaccinated to protect those who cannot be vaccinated. It’s what we do for society, it’s not just about the individual,

In the news this morning: 200 cases of measles in the West Midlands. Fears for others areas. So please vaccinate. There is no good reason not to. Save lives.

You don't have to vaccinate all of your children, just the ones you definitely want to keep.

another thing to consider is what will happen in the furture. some nurseries and schools wont take a child if their vaccinations arent up to date. are you planning to home school?

@CharlieCoCo I think OP is in the UK, where that is certainly not the case.

Yet another news article about the spread of measles
BBC News - Get measles jab to avoid rapid spread, says UK health boss
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68028530

My bad.
Kids do get a lot of bugs and illnesses when tbey start though, unvaccinated I can imagine they will get more ill, so still worth considering on a school point of view.

Many truly don’t understand how ill dc can be with measles and the ongoing issues which can be deadly. We need 95% vaccinated to protect everyone. Some dc cannot be vaccinated and they are very much at risk. Why can parents not see this? In Haringey in London it’s 50% who are vaccinated so many are vulnerable now. No wonder the nhs is on its knees! We simply don’t care about preventing illness. It’s not good enough but parents are anti vax, believe twaddle on the internet and believe that idiot that wrote about vaccinations causing autism! We had eradicated measles and now we haven’t. It’s not acceptable to deliberately puts children at risk.

Omg please vaccinate your baby.

Please

As the parent of a kid who almost died of a virus that is often mild, for which no vaccine is widely available yet, i'll sign up for any vaccine going. Vaccines are amazing.

Hi Op, I haven't read the entire thread so apologies if this is repetitive but I am a health care professional with lots of experience in vaccination. The Oxford Vaccine Knowledge project is a fantastic resource for those that want information but isn't the NHS or government pages. I have had very good feedback from patients who have looked at it to make informed decisions. There are also some videos explaining what the diseases are that we are protecting against. The important thing to remember with vaccines is that sometimes they work so well that we become very complacent because we don't see these diseases day to day therefore the potential side effects can seem scarier. A really important example is how in war torn countries, previously unseen diseases like diphtheria are making a come back because routine vaccination isn't happening. I hope you have had some useful info on here and I will also say that the best professionals to discuss with are the GP practice nurses. Health visitors have limited vaccine training and gps hardly any. Nurses are supposed to attend annual updates. Hope this helps!

The most selfish thing about anti vaxxers is that 1, they confuse normal people and lead them up disastrous paths, and 2, while they risk their own children's lives, they also risk other children's lives, by spreading the illness. If it only affected you then so be it, but the fact that you then spread it to someone else without caring of those consequences, just shows how rubbish this whole situation is.

People talk about how we don't have polio and measles, its is only this way in 2023 because of vaccines wiping most of it out. Yet now that people are not 99% taking up the vaccines, these frankly medieval diseases are coming back. Check out photos of how this looked in the early 1900s, pox all over the place, deaths, loss of limb use, brain swelling issues, all sorts. It is too late to want the vaccine when something bad has already happened.

Also, whether or not one believes or is worried that covid vaccine had enough time in development, we KNOW that these childhood vaccines have been around and constantly researched and refined for around 50 odd years! They simply cannot be compared to covid vaccine worries at all...

Most of us with young children all had those vaccines when we were small and all through school age...

The scientists etc have that job and qualifications for a reason, we cannot all be google scientists.

If a person goes to hairdresser to dye their hair do they question the quantity and mixture and chemical content that the hairdresser is using? Do they stop dying their hair even when they don't know 'what is in it'? Hardly if at all! Yet the scientists behind these medicines are much more qualified and with a bigger body of research than that...

@Hellomydear reported for misinformation. Funny how it's always the one who spread lies who have poor spelling and grammar

EDIT: I quoted the wrong post. The one I meant to quote said that people like Trump and Robert de Niro were speaking out against vaccine side effects. It has been deleted anyway which is probably for the best.

Yes, I get a lot of my medical information from Trump and de Niro too.

We are so lucky in the developed world to be able to get vaccines. Free in this country. They save lives.

There's a lot of pressure because a lot of people are stupid. Look at all the diseases making comebacks. There's been an outbreak of mumps near us. Fucking MUMPS! it's been so long since mumps was around, hardly anyone remembers what it is.

Mumps: can often cause permanent deafness

Measles: can kill young children and can result in pneumonia and encephalitis.

Tuberculosis: Has a 60% mortality rate.

Whooping cough: babies most badly affected, causes life threatening apnea after at first appearing to be just a normal cough.

Polio: again affects children the most. Can end in paralysis, death or life on a ventilator from the chest muscles being paralysed meaning the child cannot breathe.

These are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. All of these but polio are seeing a rise in cases where idiots aren't vaccinating their damn kids. Herd immunity only works if most of the herd aren't bloody stupid.

Infant mortality was shocking before vaccines.

@Blarn I reported it for misinformation 👍🏼

Good, it was nonsense.

I understand people wanting to know more about vaccinations and medicines. You want to keep your children safe above everything else and making and informed decision is important. But the informed bit just seems to be missing. There are decades of evidence, diseases have been eradicated, millions have had the vaccine. A good GP will answer questions including about side effects. There are so many reliable ways to get proper information.

Vaccines save lives.

The set of childhood vaccines has been given for years and years and hasn't shown any cause for concern at all.

There will always be someone who has a problem with their child and decides to link it to the vaccines. The NHS gather data on adverse effects and have not established any link at all. Sometimes things just happen at the same time. I am not an NHS analyst, but am close enough to that world to know that the analysis will be robust and the results will not be ignored.

Vaccinate your child. For their own benefit, for the benefit of other children, and for the benefit of society.

Be thankful such a well-regarded set of childhood vaccinations is available to your baby for free.

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HighBar · 11/01/2024 19:45
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People can be real dicks. I think the OP is a scared mum seeking reassurance. No need for some to pile on her. “

Oh come on. If you are an “hospital consultant”, you know full well there is absolutely no case - barring limited, very specific medical conditions - against vaccinating children against childhood diseases. All of this pussyfooting around to spare peoples’ feelings. You’re letting them down. What you ought to be doing is informing them very clearly that if they do not vaccinate their children, they are deliberately and knowingly putting them at risk of serious, possibly life-changing illnesses and in rare cases death. If you are not doing so, you are failing to do your job.

That is exactly what our family GP (and close friend) told us many years ago. His own daughter had autism and he was furious with Wakefield.

I think we cannot have every parent trying to get GP appointments to discuss vaccinations!!! No one is ill in this scenario. Speak to a practice nurse or read info from the NhS. GPs are not seeing ill people in a timely way so don’t block appointments.