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Colleague said something was a bit Irish

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0scon · 09/01/2024 20:43

Something that hadn't been planned properly, she said it was a bit Irish and laughed.
Is that not quite racist? Or am I being too woke?

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Jafferz · 09/01/2024 22:53

RomanRotten · 09/01/2024 22:52

Well technically she's right, in that projects often tend to be badly planned and executed in Ireland. From the top down there can be somewhat of a lackadaisical approach to sorting out problems/dealing with controversy, hence one of our national slogans is: "an Irish solution to an Irish problem".

BUT if she's not Irish (born and bred - having an Irish grandparent won't suffice here), then the natives will become very prickly indeed if they hear her say it. The colonial scars run deep and it's rude to disparage people from other countries regardless. No one likes it do they? She's probably not very self aware and didn't mean harm, but yes I would find that annoying/offensive if I heard it IRL.

HS2 springs to mind 🤔

justasking111 · 09/01/2024 22:54

My family Irish we say it.

I live in Wales no-one bats an eye here about Welshmen and sheep either.

Get over yourselves

Crepid · 09/01/2024 22:54

43ontherocksporfavor · 09/01/2024 22:50

@Crepid but it’s time to stop using these out of touch phrases. Being ‘ awake’ to the meaning and offence can’t be a bad thing.

Why? Because a handful of people find it ‘offensive’

We’re walking a path towards a culture-less existence. Where jokes and differences between cultures cannot be discussed. In fact they are to be feared and shunned in case we’re labelled a racist.. it’s absurd.

Lilacanemone · 09/01/2024 22:55

I wouldn’t have taken that as offensive. I dropped in unannounced on my Irish aunt while on a trip from another country and she commented that is was very Irish to do that. This might be meant in the same way, that things are done more spontaneously than meticulously planned?

infor · 09/01/2024 22:56

Having just consulted my biggest dictionary:

Paddy (capital 'p') = a familiar name for an Irishman,

'having a paddy' (lower case 'p') = a colloquial term for 'being enraged'
'paddy wagon' (lower case 'p') = a black Maria

'black Maria' = a prison van

If we include rice fields and a few other forms, there are more paddies than you can throw a stick at, most inoffensive.

Yesididntdothat · 09/01/2024 22:56

That isn't using it in the same way at all @Lilacanemone

Crepid · 09/01/2024 22:57

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Is Brit offensive?

Brit - British person

What about Aussie?

Is Aussie offensive? Australian?

CluelessPepperoni · 09/01/2024 22:57

Crepid · 09/01/2024 22:54

Why? Because a handful of people find it ‘offensive’

We’re walking a path towards a culture-less existence. Where jokes and differences between cultures cannot be discussed. In fact they are to be feared and shunned in case we’re labelled a racist.. it’s absurd.

Your posts are seriously offensive. No smoke without fire, now cultural differences? You think that Irish people being a bit thick is a cultural difference between ireland and the UK? If you go back to the roots of the Irish people are stupid stereotype you might see why it is offensive, especially from a British person.

43ontherocksporfavor · 09/01/2024 22:57

@crepid because we know better having had the reasons and meanings explained to us we can no longer hide our ignorance and use it as an excuse. How can that not be a good thing? Unless of course you’re a bigoted arse?

blackpanth · 09/01/2024 22:58

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I'm sorry but you can't compare the two.

Lala727 · 09/01/2024 23:00

Crepid · 09/01/2024 22:57

Is Brit offensive?

Brit - British person

What about Aussie?

Is Aussie offensive? Australian?

Nobody is saying Paddy for Irish people is offensive so your post makes no sense. It's the added connotations as I'm sure you know

JustACountryMusicGirlInCowboyBoots · 09/01/2024 23:00

Thank you for this thread. Down the rabbit hole it sent me I've found a list of all the phrases my dad used to use that are now going out of use (not offensive ones I must add) and it's made he smile and brought back fond memories. I still use his phrases.

Here they are for anyone interested.

www.itv.com/news/2022-01-26/the-50-saying-at-risk-of-being-lost-from-our-language-and-what-they-mean

TeaKitten · 09/01/2024 23:01

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DancyNancy · 09/01/2024 23:03

Lovingitallnow · 09/01/2024 21:15

It's definitely said in Ireland but it's one of those things you can say if you're Irish and not otherwise. I've only ever heard of having a paddy on here and never in Ireland. Although if you asked her why is she saying it and are Irish people bad planners and she mentioned The National Children's Hospital then just stop talking she's won.

😂 that particular saying should be "it's a bit Irish Government"

WhatNoUsername · 09/01/2024 23:03

WhereverIlaymycatthatsmyhome · 09/01/2024 22:43

You would be straight into a disciplinary where I work (legal sector)

Unacceptable.

That is a ridiculous overreaction. Particularly as the phrase isn't universally well understood as evidenced by this thread. Surely a first response would be to discuss appropriate speech at work and proceed to disciplinary if issues continued.

NoMoreBeers · 09/01/2024 23:04

Lilacanemone · 09/01/2024 22:55

I wouldn’t have taken that as offensive. I dropped in unannounced on my Irish aunt while on a trip from another country and she commented that is was very Irish to do that. This might be meant in the same way, that things are done more spontaneously than meticulously planned?

Surely she just meant that it is still common in Ireland to visit unannounced? I gather this is not so common elsewhere. So she was not being pejorative about Irish people, while "a bit Irish" is generally pejorative.

Lesina · 09/01/2024 23:05

Completely unacceptable.

TeaKitten · 09/01/2024 23:05

NoMoreBeers · 09/01/2024 23:04

Surely she just meant that it is still common in Ireland to visit unannounced? I gather this is not so common elsewhere. So she was not being pejorative about Irish people, while "a bit Irish" is generally pejorative.

Why is being ‘a bit Irish’ worse than being ‘very Irish’. Your logic is flawed in that comment.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 09/01/2024 23:05

blackpanth · 09/01/2024 22:58

I'm sorry but you can't compare the two.

Why not? What exactly is the difference if both are being used to refer to a negative trait.

pushbaum · 09/01/2024 23:07

0scon · 09/01/2024 20:43

Something that hadn't been planned properly, she said it was a bit Irish and laughed.
Is that not quite racist? Or am I being too woke?

It's racist / prejudiced. Woke usually means being considerate and sensitive ('awake') to a diversity of people/backgrounds rather than think your own background/ethnicity is a norm by which everything else is judged.

Frangipanyoul8r · 09/01/2024 23:08

JustACountryMusicGirlInCowboyBoots · 09/01/2024 23:00

Thank you for this thread. Down the rabbit hole it sent me I've found a list of all the phrases my dad used to use that are now going out of use (not offensive ones I must add) and it's made he smile and brought back fond memories. I still use his phrases.

Here they are for anyone interested.

www.itv.com/news/2022-01-26/the-50-saying-at-risk-of-being-lost-from-our-language-and-what-they-mean

Great link! Also reminds me of my dad. I use quite a few of them still.

SheFliesLikeABirdInTheSky · 09/01/2024 23:09

CluelessPepperoni · 09/01/2024 22:57

Your posts are seriously offensive. No smoke without fire, now cultural differences? You think that Irish people being a bit thick is a cultural difference between ireland and the UK? If you go back to the roots of the Irish people are stupid stereotype you might see why it is offensive, especially from a British person.

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Lighten up @CluelessPepperoni

OhBumBags · 09/01/2024 23:09

StephanieSuperpowers · 09/01/2024 21:09

That's very unusual for Irish people.

It's not at all unusual for any of my large Irish family.

However, none would be so stupid to say it at work.

pushbaum · 09/01/2024 23:10

0scon · 09/01/2024 20:43

Something that hadn't been planned properly, she said it was a bit Irish and laughed.
Is that not quite racist? Or am I being too woke?

In case it needs to be spelled out - it's offensive for a British person to say it due to centuries of colonialism and anti-Irish prejudice.

blackpanth · 09/01/2024 23:11

OchonAgusOchonOh · 09/01/2024 23:05

Why not? What exactly is the difference if both are being used to refer to a negative trait.

Paddy is in the dictionary. The other two arent. Says a lot really. I don't say paddy to be offensive. I say it to my son when he's having a tantrum. I don't have anything against the Irish and honestly never crossed my mind they'd find it offensive. As everyone I know says it. I say it lovingly to my son.

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