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Sacked for using 'N' word

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Horrace · 08/01/2024 22:08

I don't know how to copy link sorry but has anyone been following the story of the Lloyd's bank manager who was sacked for asking a relevant question in a so called anti racism training session by his employers but in his question he used the full 'N' word.
His question I believe was how would he be expected to deal with black employees or customers speaking to each other using that word.
The trainer was so offended by the word, she had to take 5 days off work. However, he got sacked.
He has since been awarded £500,00 but no apology from Lloyd's and no job back.
As far as we know, the ridiculous incompetent trainer is still employed.

I am close to this story but afraid to say how.
But will say that I'm losing sleep and furious more and more at this bank.

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HRTQueen · 09/01/2024 20:04

Well boohoo

Daisyislazy · 09/01/2024 20:07

Josette77 · 09/01/2024 19:11

This thread is disgusting. Are white people seriously feeling left out because they can't say it?

And do people seriously think racist people aren't already saying it? Or that telling them they can will suddenly bridge racial division ?

White women are so fucking lucky and ignorant on here. You have no clue what it is deal with racism. To have your kid come home from primary school having had people say that to them.

Having a man walk by you and your toddler son and scream it in your face.

There is so much ignorance here it's gross.

All of you wanting to say it but claiming you're not racist, are deluding yourselves.

It's a word once used to make black people feel inhuman. To justify lynchings. To justify slavery and rape of black women.

Be thankful that word is just a word to you. It means a helluva a lot more to the rest of us.

This

Caerulea · 09/01/2024 20:14

Redundantrobin · 09/01/2024 18:56

It was a descriptive, non misogynistic word long before - and for longer - than it has held misogynist connotations. Vagina comes from ‘sword sheath’ - I’d much rather use cunt than have my bits named for their purpose to men. Germaine Greer did an interesting piece on the BBC about it as part of balderdash & piffle.

perhaps the reason it remains so offensive is actually because (men?) want to try and minimise its power by attaching a notion of shame.

Did...did I write this?

I've had this exact conversation about the origin of cunt & how vile vagina is!

GreekDogRescue · 09/01/2024 20:17

SpursFan2 · 08/01/2024 22:09

How is the trainer ridiculous and incompetent? That seems like a very harsh judgement. The N word is extremely offensive because of its history and cultural connotations.

Perhaps you should read up on this story before you comment.
He has a disability - yes dyslexia is a disability. The trainer was disablist and dishonest for destroying his career over an honest mistake.

GreekDogRescue · 09/01/2024 20:21

Carpediemmakeitcount · 09/01/2024 13:16

My history is rusty fair enough. We will leave out the commonwealth then shall we and what happened there. I could go on forever about what happened and why you can't say that word and what it means. It doesn't matter what context you want to use it in don't.

at least you admit your history is ‘rusty’.
Do you even know what the commonwealth is?

fixingmylife · 09/01/2024 20:28

Why are people being so stroppy on here? Just listen to yourselves. I have not long been a member of MN. Really? A lot of you actually sound like children!

I am white anyway, not that it should matter. Listen to yourselves and stop being absolutely childish about not being able to use a SERIOUSLY OFFENSIVE word! It's not only childish but shows a complete lack of respect for fellow humans that happen to be of a different colour, for goodness sake, read up on some history books perhaps? Seriously? I thought MN was better than this!

tachetastic · 09/01/2024 20:33

@fixingmylife: Seriously? I thought MN was better than this!

Did you? Have you been here long????

fixingmylife · 09/01/2024 20:34

@tachetastic hahahahah!!!

Carpediemmakeitcount · 09/01/2024 20:49

GreekDogRescue · 09/01/2024 20:17

Perhaps you should read up on this story before you comment.
He has a disability - yes dyslexia is a disability. The trainer was disablist and dishonest for destroying his career over an honest mistake.

I have friends with dyslexia I think I will WhatsApp this thread to them I assure you they would never use a racial slur. Now this thread is offending people with dyslexia.

Carpediemmakeitcount · 09/01/2024 20:53

GreekDogRescue · 09/01/2024 20:21

at least you admit your history is ‘rusty’.
Do you even know what the commonwealth is?

Have I posted something that upset you?

Lasegna · 09/01/2024 21:29

tachetastic · 09/01/2024 19:54

@Lasegna: Racism is a way to terrify white people and make them submit to your POV - despite (usually) not saying anything offensive.

Wow! I mean, Wow!

Are you really so deluded as to marginalise racism as an attack on white people?

Do you see what is going on in the world???

No, I think racism has been thrown around baselessly in an attempt to shame people into agreeing with you.

Saying 'wow!' Does not make you right or bolster your point in any way, btw

IClaudine · 09/01/2024 21:41

GreekDogRescue · 09/01/2024 20:17

Perhaps you should read up on this story before you comment.
He has a disability - yes dyslexia is a disability. The trainer was disablist and dishonest for destroying his career over an honest mistake.

Perhaps you should read the judgement before you comment. The trainer had nothing to do with the decision to sack him and was not found to have discriminated against him. That was all on Lloyd's.

OneTC · 09/01/2024 21:53

The guy said he'd never heard the term n-word before. Forgive me if I don't believe a word he says.

AnonnyMouseDave · 10/01/2024 08:58

Frederica145 · 09/01/2024 18:53

This. The actual word is so deeply offensive that everyone avoids using it.

I do not use the word because I know it causes offence and because I have no need to. But let's be clear here. It is GINGER in a different order. There is nothing inherently evil about those letters in a particular order. The offence comes from the way it is used, not from it's existence.

I genuinely despair for society if it is so fragile that it can't handle a word being used in the context of a discussion about the evils of the word. The idea that a word can literally be "mate" or "bro" to one person yet beyond the pale for his best mate to say is just BATSHIT.

Whilst understanding that reclaiming a word has it's place no good can come from the times that society decides to treat people of different races differently.

AnonnyMouseDave · 10/01/2024 09:01

IClaudine · 09/01/2024 19:59

A young girl was singing along to a rap song in her own car and lost her university place and had her whole life ruined, simply because she sang along to the N word too

Do you have a link to this story, please?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/26/us/mimi-groves-jimmy-galligan-racial-slurs.html

IClaudine · 10/01/2024 10:34

Thank you. So a slightly different story than the student singing along to a rap song on her car!

Ms. Groves had originally sent the video, in which she looked into the camera and said, “I can drive,” followed by the slur, to a friend on Snapchat in 2016, when she was a freshman and had just gotten her learner’s permit. It later circulated among some students at Heritage High School, which she and Mr. Galligan attended, but did not cause much of a stir

Russelljack01 · 10/01/2024 13:58

Zarah123 · 09/01/2024 15:26

What's that got to do with this case?

Plenty. It's an illustration. At least I'm not just accusing random people of being racist, unlike you.

Russelljack01 · 10/01/2024 14:00

fixingmylife · 09/01/2024 20:28

Why are people being so stroppy on here? Just listen to yourselves. I have not long been a member of MN. Really? A lot of you actually sound like children!

I am white anyway, not that it should matter. Listen to yourselves and stop being absolutely childish about not being able to use a SERIOUSLY OFFENSIVE word! It's not only childish but shows a complete lack of respect for fellow humans that happen to be of a different colour, for goodness sake, read up on some history books perhaps? Seriously? I thought MN was better than this!

I haven't seen one white person say they are pissed off because they can't use the word. What a ridiculous assumption. You're not the only one to have made it, either.

fixingmylife · 10/01/2024 14:43

@Russelljack01. To be clear, I was actually commenting on and making reference to some of the comments earlier up on the thread that were making that assumption. I have also heard it elsewhere. I am not being ridiculous at all for clarification, it was not an assumption.

Zarah123 · 10/01/2024 15:31

Russelljack01 · 10/01/2024 13:58

Plenty. It's an illustration. At least I'm not just accusing random people of being racist, unlike you.

When white men in banking start complaining that white men are at the bottom of the pile then you can bet they are racist. Do you disagree?

And ‘plenty’ is not an answer? How is it an illustration?

It’s clear you have zero clue what you’re on about and are just desperately throwing words around.

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Bex5490 · 10/01/2024 18:14

Ok well whatever your opinion on this story is. How about if you’re white reading this, just learn to never say that word in full ever. There is never a good enough reason.

Even if you really really love Wutang Clan…still don’t do it.

Zanatdy · 10/01/2024 18:16

Ridiculous to sack him. It was clearly meant to be taken in context, he wasn’t calling anyone a derogatory term.

Russelljack01 · 10/01/2024 18:19

HRTQueen · 09/01/2024 20:04

Well boohoo

No boo hoo for this guy. Justice was served.