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LuckyPeonies · 08/01/2024 18:59

This makes me very sad, and very angry. The vile evil monsters who abuse ANY animal, regardless of type or breed, are absolutely disgusting, worthless, and should be destroyed. There is NEVER any reason nor justification for deliberately inflicting suffering. It is despicable and unforgivable. Also, shame on the disgusting people who defend this scum!!

IHS · 08/01/2024 19:17

The types of people who own dogs like this are generally of very low intelligence and morals. They can't be trusted to look after anything so it's obvious that problems and animal cruelty will arise due to this so called ban. All of these dogs should be required to be humanely euthanised not rehomed or whatever.

The Scottish government are insane not to have adopted the same route as us. The carnage has just been shifted to the people over the border. How long until the maulings start?

Dullardmullard · 08/01/2024 19:22

IHS · 08/01/2024 19:17

The types of people who own dogs like this are generally of very low intelligence and morals. They can't be trusted to look after anything so it's obvious that problems and animal cruelty will arise due to this so called ban. All of these dogs should be required to be humanely euthanised not rehomed or whatever.

The Scottish government are insane not to have adopted the same route as us. The carnage has just been shifted to the people over the border. How long until the maulings start?

judgemental much!!!

IHS · 08/01/2024 19:25

Dullardmullard · 08/01/2024 19:22

judgemental much!!!

Absolutely. Just look at the deaths and maimings that have occurred as a result of breeding these creatures. What sort of stupid, irresponsible people buy them?

momonpurpose · 08/01/2024 19:26

I'd see no problem if the dig was stabbed to death while attacking someone or another dog. Self defense. However it seems like this dog was stabbed to death for the fun of it. I hope they are able to prosecut the person responsible.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 08/01/2024 19:47

IHS · 08/01/2024 19:17

The types of people who own dogs like this are generally of very low intelligence and morals. They can't be trusted to look after anything so it's obvious that problems and animal cruelty will arise due to this so called ban. All of these dogs should be required to be humanely euthanised not rehomed or whatever.

The Scottish government are insane not to have adopted the same route as us. The carnage has just been shifted to the people over the border. How long until the maulings start?

Oh come on.
I am very suspicious of the motives of the people who deliberately seek out dangerous dogs from breeders. But there are also quite a lot of people (probably some on here) who have taken these dogs on as rescue dogs because they care about animals and don’t want to see any dog destroyed. It’s not a choice I would make myself , I am not particularly sentimental about animals, but the fact is there are people who do it from pure kindness. Some of them will go on to be irresponsible owners and in denial about their pet’s true capacities, others will be completely responsible and careful.

strugglingwithlife · 08/01/2024 19:50

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Agree with this one million percent!!👏👏👏

Gingerbee · 08/01/2024 19:58

Fiddlerdragon · 08/01/2024 17:11

I’m in alder hey a&e right now and a 3yo boy has just came in after being mauled by his grandads xl

Gosh. Poor wee lad.

Nonomono · 08/01/2024 20:05

It’s so sad.

There have been several cases of these dogs being beaten, tortured and killed.

These were happening before but we heard of them less because the dogs attacking was more newsworthy.

Of course the ban has made things worse but it should prove the point that there needs to be stricter laws on dog ownership, regardless of breed.

BigBoysDontCry · 08/01/2024 20:08

These moron owners have basically been given a gift by Humza and the rest of the incompetent bunch.

It's easy now to pass your out of control murder pup on to some bleeding heart or money grabber with a sob story about how you can't afford to comply. Managed to fork out the thousands to pay for the dog in the first place though eh?

As PPs have said, there is no van, just rules to obey and any actual responsable loving owner would do that or euthanise the dog if all other avenues have been exhausted. Do they think these dogs are coming to Scotland to live a life of freedom in the Scottish wilderness? Most will end up on rough estates as status dogs and bred to exhaustion.

I don't hate dogs but this breed are not suitable family pets due to their breeding, size and strength.

In Scotland and we already had issues with dogs being attacked and killed and children being chased. So yes, let's add hundreds/thousands more to the problem.

I feel sorry for the dogs and hope this guy has had a taste of his own medicine, but agree with the ban and we need it in Scotland. We need to deal appropriately with these back street breeders from the animals point of view and also due to the untaxed side earnings being made which makes it so lucrative for them.

Muchof · 08/01/2024 20:12

oOiluvfriendsOo · 08/01/2024 16:11

The guy is claiming he gave the dog edibles which killed it. The dog was found with injuries.
The vigilantes went after him for killing the dog.

I also don’t understand the story. Is it that the owner gave the dog away rather than comply, the new owner killed it and then somebody posted their address so new owner was targeted?

SomeCatFromJapan · 08/01/2024 20:16

@Muchof that seems to be what happened. His name, picture and address were posted on social media, probably driven by XL Bully groups.

justaboutdonenow · 08/01/2024 20:28

No fan of bullies but whoever did that needs punishing to the full extent of the law & banned for life from being around any animals.

And all of those disturbed PPs who have expressed joy at this cruelty should be on some sort of watchlist.

Lasegna · 08/01/2024 20:30

The people gloating about the dog dying are vile. And what's worse is that these specific dogs aren't even the ones that have attacked anyone. They're probably terrified, trembling and anxious - not bad tempered, just scared and trapped with some maniac owner.

People's hatred for these dogs is getting out of hand. Disturbing. Imagine what views they have about people they don't like.

Arsefromelbow · 08/01/2024 20:31

We don’t know if the previous owner gave the dog away rather than comply, do we?

Arsefromelbow · 08/01/2024 20:35

This thread, about an innocent dog who’s been tortured to death, is littered with jibes about people who own similar dogs. You can’t put your judgemental bullshit to one side for even one thread.

Dullardmullard · 08/01/2024 20:54

IHS · 08/01/2024 19:25

Absolutely. Just look at the deaths and maimings that have occurred as a result of breeding these creatures. What sort of stupid, irresponsible people buy them?

Mostly sensible folks just for the record, not all the drug dealers and chavs you think they are owned by.

BigBoysDontCry · 08/01/2024 21:13

Dullardmullard · 08/01/2024 20:54

Mostly sensible folks just for the record, not all the drug dealers and chavs you think they are owned by.

How are they sensible?

I'm sure many are well meaning and kind etc but what does this breed bring to the table that other breeds don't?

Why would anyone get one of these as a family pet?

They have a likelihood to have been poorly bred with undesirable traits and even if they were the softest thing since cotton wool was invented, if they flipped the chances of being able to control it/escape are slim.

A friends dog developed epilepsy and came out of a fit and went for her. Since it was a collie she was able to push it off and get out the room. It's now being treated for it's condition. She is an experienced owner with a loving safe home and got away with some scratches and bruising. Can you imagine if that had been a 10 stone XL bully with a jaw clamp like they have?

All dogs are capable of attack even if that is through illness. Most dogs you could defend yourself against/overpower. One if these you can't. They have no business being bred and sold.

The ones that are here should be subject to restrictions and humane treatment and not bred.

Testina · 08/01/2024 21:22

Arsefromelbow · 08/01/2024 20:31

We don’t know if the previous owner gave the dog away rather than comply, do we?

Assuming we can vaguely trust the journalism, we know the dog was offered for sale for £400 by its former owner.

I’m not quite sure what you’re trying to say though? That the ban and compliance was never a factor? Like maybe they never intended to keep it, and it was just some backyard breeding and trading where the profit was only ever the consideration, not where it ended up and how suitable the purchaser was?

XenoBitch · 08/01/2024 21:25

Sureaseggs44 · 08/01/2024 17:42

This was happening before the ban . Most responsible owners will just comply with the new conditions. If they are not doing that they are just irresponsible owners . Which is basically a lot of the problem in the first place .

On another thread, a vet assistant said they had to PTS a XL bully as it's owner was homeless (so no address to apply for exemption).
Some social tenants are also finding that they are no longer allowed to keep their dogs too.

There will be some people who really want to keep their dog, but can't.

Dullardmullard · 08/01/2024 21:33

BigBoysDontCry · 08/01/2024 21:13

How are they sensible?

I'm sure many are well meaning and kind etc but what does this breed bring to the table that other breeds don't?

Why would anyone get one of these as a family pet?

They have a likelihood to have been poorly bred with undesirable traits and even if they were the softest thing since cotton wool was invented, if they flipped the chances of being able to control it/escape are slim.

A friends dog developed epilepsy and came out of a fit and went for her. Since it was a collie she was able to push it off and get out the room. It's now being treated for it's condition. She is an experienced owner with a loving safe home and got away with some scratches and bruising. Can you imagine if that had been a 10 stone XL bully with a jaw clamp like they have?

All dogs are capable of attack even if that is through illness. Most dogs you could defend yourself against/overpower. One if these you can't. They have no business being bred and sold.

The ones that are here should be subject to restrictions and humane treatment and not bred.

Most mongrels are poorly bred and unpredictable but sell as they have designer names so you saying XL Bullies is poorly bred is the same so where do we stop mmm as for a 10stone dog losing control there are signs just like a 10lb one signs but non dog owners don’t know dog body language and say it happened out of nowhere. No its never ever is out of the blue.

I agree with all dogs can attack but there is a reason always a reason even a slight one

I know XL bully owners many are rescues and a few have bought them too they are sensible in training, obedience etc. so your tarring all as non sensible for owning large breed dogs.

I own a giant breed which is over 10 stone and I know they are animals first and foremost hence training them daily. I know signs when they are overstimulated, tired etc.

I personally think this is a test to get rid of ALL dogs eventually

BigBoysDontCry · 08/01/2024 21:36

Dullardmullard · 08/01/2024 21:33

Most mongrels are poorly bred and unpredictable but sell as they have designer names so you saying XL Bullies is poorly bred is the same so where do we stop mmm as for a 10stone dog losing control there are signs just like a 10lb one signs but non dog owners don’t know dog body language and say it happened out of nowhere. No its never ever is out of the blue.

I agree with all dogs can attack but there is a reason always a reason even a slight one

I know XL bully owners many are rescues and a few have bought them too they are sensible in training, obedience etc. so your tarring all as non sensible for owning large breed dogs.

I own a giant breed which is over 10 stone and I know they are animals first and foremost hence training them daily. I know signs when they are overstimulated, tired etc.

I personally think this is a test to get rid of ALL dogs eventually

Don't be ridiculous.

LessonsLearnedInLife · 08/01/2024 21:40

XenoBitch · 08/01/2024 21:25

On another thread, a vet assistant said they had to PTS a XL bully as it's owner was homeless (so no address to apply for exemption).
Some social tenants are also finding that they are no longer allowed to keep their dogs too.

There will be some people who really want to keep their dog, but can't.

Then the sensible thing is to have them PTS.

Social media is filled will people begging for others in Scotland to take their dogs, many have bite histories and some just don’t want to put a muzzle on them. They seem to think Scotland is XL Bully heaven where they’ll be safe and sadly for many of these dogs this isn’t the case as has been proved by the death of this dog.

I’ve lost count of the sad face uploads I’ve seen on TikTok with owners not having muzzle trained their dogs yet and now they’re whining the dogs can’t go out as they won’t wear a muzzle. Then you get the uploads of people refusing to muzzle them and the comments section is filled with idiots saying things like “oh look it’s really a Jack Russell, I never seen a thing” or “my eyes wouldn’t be working if I saw your dog not wearing a muzzle”.

ILove2024Already · 08/01/2024 21:43

Humans are a fucking plague on the world. Rehoming a dog is despicable anyway let alone to someone as vile as this. As if there weren't clues. Poor thing

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