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Rude cleaner

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changedforthisone8533 · 03/01/2024 22:03

Had a few cleaners over the years. Got along with every one of them but this cleaner few across as very rude.

She doesn't say hello or talk or acknowledge when I speak to her and leaves without informing me.

Regardless, she's there to clean.
Over time, I grew tired of the rudeness and decided it wasn't a match so we both ended the situation mutually. I was actually planning on messaging asking her not to return when she messaged me saying she moved house so could no longer clean so I just left it.
All good.

I didn't end up replacing her as COL crisis mainly.

She messages me a few weeks back informing me she has moved to a new property near to my house so she can come back.
I responded and said I'd bear that in mind and may message her for the odd cleaning job.
I'm summarising as I don't remember the specific words exchanged.

Anyway, we arrange for her to come today. 3 hours.
She was supposed to arrive at 11am. Then changed it to 1pm but didn't arrive till 1:21pm. I have an intercom and a doorbell camera so checked these.
I was in the shower at the time as she was late and therefore was delayed opening the door for 12 minutes. (I live in an apartment so she was waiting inside my building on a sofa - warm not in the cold outside.)

At some point during the clean she informs me that she has broken an item. I was on the phone for a hospital appointment so acknowledged this but didn't spend too much time looking into the details.
She remarked at the time, "you can pay me £15 in full as I broke your item. Sorry"
She charges £16ph now, increased from last year.
Again she left without saying bye.

She messages me about the payment and informs me it's 3 hours £48. I remind her of the item she broke and ask her to clarify which item it was (2 bathrooms). She informs me it was a soap dispenser and I can pay her £45, a reduction of £3.
I informed her I'd check the cost and get back to her. It definitely wasn't a £3 soap dispenser.

Whilst I'm checking the price, she sends me a long message saying, 'she cannot accept any lower than £45. That the soap dispenser was loose and had tons of items around it and practically fell in the sink. She lives in London alone and the extra costs make a difference to her.'

Now, you might read this thread thinking I'm middle class as I can afford a cleaner. I'm a single disabled parent with a disabled child. I do not work and have a cleaner to clean things I couldn't clean (mobility issues). I'm in no way rich but I use some of my PIP to pay for a cleaner - haven't been able to do this for the past x months as mentioned though as costs have increased too much.
Regardless, my situation is irrelevant as is hers.

If she wasn't so rude and blaming me for the issue I may have tried to write it off but she has a habit of making me pay her extra for travel at times and tbh, I'm not in a financial position to write it off.

I'm starting to get pissed off with the blaming and the sob stories. She should have insurance to cover such a thing but I doubt she does from her messages.

AIBU?

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Fynoderee · 03/01/2024 22:33

Pay the money and write it off. Don’t have her back.

I am a cleaner. I have insurance and I travel to jobs. Therefore my rate has been calculated to factor these things in. She should do this too. TBH, I doubt £16/covers this and a basic rate of national minimum wage.

My insurance excess is £300. I wouldn’t make a claim for a soap dispenser.

I also have T&Cs issued to every client. I won’t be responsible for things that are already in a state of disrepair, ie worn, badly secured (shelves, pictures). So if that’s her argument, could it be true?

If I broke something that is of small value, I always let clients know. Most say don’t worry about it.

If you get another cleaner, check they have insurance, ask for their T&Cs and be familiar with what’s what before you commence service.

Fuzziduck · 03/01/2024 22:33

Did she do the 3 hours?
I'd pay for what she worked, then block her number.

changedforthisone8533 · 03/01/2024 22:34

She definitely won't be returning.

Item I'd say was circa £30 but I haven't double checked. I wasn't even going to charge the full cost, maybe half but thid getting ridiculous

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doyouknowabout · 03/01/2024 22:34

changedforthisone8533 · 03/01/2024 22:25

Yep. If you read the previous post you'll see why.
It wasn't some kind of punishment but she may have arrived hours later so I should have just sat and not moved until she arrives?

You could have had a shower at the original time agreed. And why you would hire someone you know is constantly late is baffling.

You can just buy hand wash for like £1.50. If you can’t afford to replace the soap dispenser.

changedforthisone8533 · 03/01/2024 22:35

Fynoderee · 03/01/2024 22:33

Pay the money and write it off. Don’t have her back.

I am a cleaner. I have insurance and I travel to jobs. Therefore my rate has been calculated to factor these things in. She should do this too. TBH, I doubt £16/covers this and a basic rate of national minimum wage.

My insurance excess is £300. I wouldn’t make a claim for a soap dispenser.

I also have T&Cs issued to every client. I won’t be responsible for things that are already in a state of disrepair, ie worn, badly secured (shelves, pictures). So if that’s her argument, could it be true?

If I broke something that is of small value, I always let clients know. Most say don’t worry about it.

If you get another cleaner, check they have insurance, ask for their T&Cs and be familiar with what’s what before you commence service.

The item was new unfortunately.

But I agree that's the right approach. This is a very informal working basis

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changedforthisone8533 · 03/01/2024 22:36

I've said previously I had to have a shower. It is part of a condition. I don't need to go into detail but I had to have a shower. It took 5 minutes not a long, relaxing, wash your hair type thing.

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Tinkerbyebye · 03/01/2024 22:40

If you can afford £30 for a soap dispenser which you say is new then I would suggest you pay try£45 and not gave her back

then use normal soap in a dispenser from the supermarket until you can afford to replace

changedforthisone8533 · 03/01/2024 22:43

Tinkerbyebye · 03/01/2024 22:40

If you can afford £30 for a soap dispenser which you say is new then I would suggest you pay try£45 and not gave her back

then use normal soap in a dispenser from the supermarket until you can afford to replace

Not really how it works.
I can afford an iPhone. If someone broke it could I outrightly buy a new one? No.

That's irrelevant. The point is she broke something and is not offering to pay and is now trying to overcharge.

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GoldDuster · 03/01/2024 22:45

It's not that deep, you're overthinking this massively. Pay her off and let her go and you can both breathe a sigh of relief and never see each other again.

Lookingforbiscoff · 03/01/2024 22:46

I’d say pay her for the time she arrives and left - let her know about the ring doorbell.

But just write off the soap dispenser and take it as a lesson learned about not having people in to do work when they’ve already got on the wrong side of you .

My last (occasional) cleaner annoyed me, she turned up early when I specifically asked her not to and then she left before she worked her full 2 hours despite me paying for her the full 2 hours. And there were clearly remaining tasks she could have done rather than heading off early.

I just didn’t hire her again and didn’t reply when she messaged me months later asking for a reference.

Sunnydays0101 · 03/01/2024 22:47

Did you check with your cleaner before you let her into work in your home that she had her own insurance ? Did you ask to see her insurance cover? Did you let her know that she would be responsible for any breakages?

changedforthisone8533 · 03/01/2024 22:49

I've explained to her that the situation is heated so we will speak tomorrow to work it out.

And she's said "I'm not sure what kind of person you are to not pay an employee on the same day!!"

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Noseybookworm · 03/01/2024 22:50

Just pay her for the 3 hours cleaning and don't have her back. Chalk it up to experience and go through a cleaning agency next time. They will have insurance to cover the cost of any breakages.

changedforthisone8533 · 03/01/2024 22:50

Sunnydays0101 · 03/01/2024 22:47

Did you check with your cleaner before you let her into work in your home that she had her own insurance ? Did you ask to see her insurance cover? Did you let her know that she would be responsible for any breakages?

Nope. Was a friend of my previous cleaner.
She's SA and it's a casual arrangement with no contract in place.

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JustJoinedRightNow · 03/01/2024 22:51

OP I think you should just pay her and be done with it. I understand the principle of her breaking it, but honestly is it worth the headache it will bring on if you have to keep going back and forth?

Falkenburg · 03/01/2024 22:51

She's flaky and you're flakier.

Just pay her for her time and forget about the broken item .

changedforthisone8533 · 03/01/2024 22:51

Noseybookworm · 03/01/2024 22:50

Just pay her for the 3 hours cleaning and don't have her back. Chalk it up to experience and go through a cleaning agency next time. They will have insurance to cover the cost of any breakages.

Yeah I think the agency is the way to go.

It's a shame as I got on with all my cleaners and we still talk now.

Anyway I'll think on it overnight and double check the receipt/ cost online and decide what to do after discussing with my mum.
I'm ND so this is tricky

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changedforthisone8533 · 03/01/2024 22:52

Falkenburg · 03/01/2024 22:51

She's flaky and you're flakier.

Just pay her for her time and forget about the broken item .

Ah okay 😁

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Testina · 03/01/2024 23:12

You recently spent £30 on a new soap dispenser when you’re impacted by the COL crisis to such an extent that you cancelled a cleaning service that’s important for your heath needs, not a luxury. Odd.

Look, all the stuff about travel is irrelevant - that isn’t now, and you just had to say no. You don’t need to pay her for the hours she said she did today - you have your ring doorbell. So you tell her that she did 2.5 hours (or whatever) and pay her that.

I wouldn’t charge her for a soap dispenser. She can’t claim that on her insurance, it would be under the excess I’m sure. Even if it cost you £30, it won’t cost £30 for an alternative.

This was going to work out.

billybear · 03/01/2024 23:17

pay her but dont use her again, go on your local facebook page ask for local people who clean .

Namemchangeforthispostonly101 · 03/01/2024 23:23

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The OP has privacy concerns, so we've agreed to take this down now.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 03/01/2024 23:23

coldcallerbaiter · 03/01/2024 22:20

No I would not charge a cleaner for a soap dispenser. Just like my work office would not charge me if I accidentally broke a soap dispenser or any other item… so petty

I agree,it's part of having a cleaner ffs,it's a soap dispenser! Just pay her and be done with it all.

gloriawasright · 03/01/2024 23:24

Pay her for the hours she did.and pay her now.
She shouldn't have to wait for payment just because you have become annoyed by it all.
If she did the work,pay her.
And forget about the soap dispenser. Accidents happen and you are being a bit mean about the whole episode.

Duvetbump · 03/01/2024 23:24

Have you checked exactly how much you paid for the soap dispenser?

changedforthisone8533 · 03/01/2024 23:26

I sent her a screenshot of the time she rang my intercom and she's now saying I'm illegally using her images without her permission.

She was due to arrive at 11. Changed to 1. Arrived after 1.20. No she didn't do the full hours.

I'll decide what to do tomorrow.

Thanks for those who've posted helpful comments. L

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