So worried about my baby, can any mums helps

[Mangochutneey]

I have joined mumsnet specifically to ask about this as I am now feeling desperate. My baby had his one year vaccines this time last week, four injections in total including the MMR. The following day he had a high temperature of over 40, called 111 when nothing brought it down and they said to take to a and e. We did this and they said he was fine and temperature was high but probably the vaccine. Sent home. He has been an entirely different baby since that day. Temperature over 40 continued on and off for first 4 days, that has now stopped.

But my baby is looking vacant, not engaging, staring into space, not playing. We went to the supermarket yesterday and two separate people commented that ‘if looks could kill,’… he looks angry. This is not like him. The biggest worry I have is sleep… he slept 14.5 hours last night and is now having a nap again already after waking up at 9:30am? He did the same yesterday and also had a 2.5 hour nap in the afternoon as well. That’s almost 18 hours of sleep a day?

I am very pro vaccines and we are paying for the chicken pox one soon but this has really scared me. Why is he sleeping so much so long after? Why has his temperament changed?

You'll be so glad once you're a couple of weeks out and she's past any side effects and protected from some awful diseases.

My comment with govt link wasn’t to create fear - it was to show you that vaccine damage/injury was an actual thing.

https://www.researchprofessionalnews.com/rr-news-uk-politics-2023-6-uk-to-pay-out-over-11-5m-in-covid-19-vaccine-damages/

The amount offered by the uk tax-paid government injury scheme is a pitance, but when pharmaceutical companies are exempt from liability for certain vaccines (covid one for example), that’s all there is.

So 72 payments.

Out of how many Covid vaccines….?

Shall we now look at the number of people seriously damaged by Covid? The death rate?

What do you think is higher?

Clue - it’s Covid. The disease the vaccine prevents is ALWAYS more dangerous than the disease. No exception.

Thanks for sharing a link that actually shares my view. That was helpful of you.

Wow bet you had loads of friends at school 😂

Wow. Can't believe what a turn this thread has gone. I hope your little one is ok op. I know it can affect children differently. My youngest had a high temp for a while but was ok. My eldest was absolutely fine.

That may as well have read ‘I just lost that argument’ 🤣

@AnneValentine what you just said in your previous post is that you think it’s totally fine that 72 people had to claim for being vaccine injured.

So you don’t give a shit that 72 people had an injury from a vaccine. So in order to care, you want the number to be much higher? 🤔

@Mangochutneey i hope your doctor’s appointment went ok and that your little one is doing ok and gets back to his old self soon.

More than your kid will when they find out you’re the anti vaxxer. I’ve watched it play out. It’s epic.

Thanks @AnneValentine @ColleenDonaghy I know you’re both right and the benefits far outweigh any perceived risks, but as someone with postpartum anxiety/OCD threads like this are the literal stuff of nightmares.

That isn’t actually what I said though is it. But I do think that 72 out of the number of vaccines administered is not a number of concern. Particularly as not vaccinating would have resulted in many many more disabled and dead people. Again, seeing as you cannot grasp it, the risks of vaccines are significantly lower than the risks of not. Are you saying those 72 are more important than the billions of lives saved globally by vaccines?

I hated having to make these choices. I decided one dose of MMR was enough.

Hope you’re little one is ok, OP. Good luck at the GPs.

Can I also say to those who are saying it’s just a coincidence that OP’s has not been right since his jabs, of course it’s likely the jabs that have caused it. ALL vaccines/medicines cause side effects in some people, to deny that is just stupidity.

I’m pro vaccine but 4 in one go seems an awful lot for their little bodies at that age.

The only thing to fear is that anti vaxxers are protected by the sensible decisions of others.

I know right 😂

Hope your baby is ok OP, let us know when you can x

It's human to ascribe more "value" to the one case (of anything) you hear about in detail or that pulls on your emotions, than to thousands that don't. E.g. detailed bad reviews will stand out in your mind far more than 100 "this was as described and fine".

This is part of the reason that your average person is terrible at assessing risk realistically.

How dare you let the common sense and logic get in the way of hysteria, do you not understand how MN works? Shame on you. 🙄

Bloody hell, this thread...🙄

OP I hope that your little boy is starting to feel better and that you feel reassured by your GP.
Please do update if you can (although I wouldn't blame you one jot if you didn't).

It's incredibly frustrating how parents are shut down if they dare to mention their child having a reaction to a vaccine. It's as though you can't report feeling a bit shit after having one, or it simply must be a coincidence.

My children have had all of their vaccines, aside from some lethargy, temps and tiredness for a few days which is normal, they were absolutely fine.

However my friend's DS had a really bad reaction and ended up in hospital with seizures.

People have been injured by vaccines.

Vaccines can affect people differently.

I felt like shit for a week after my flu jab, like proper full on flu.

Why are we deluding ourselves and trying to delude others into thinking that there's no such thing as bad reactions to vaccines.

The people reporting them aren't coming from a place of being anti vax, if they were they wouldn't have had the bloody things in the first place.

The government has and will pay compensation to people who have been damaged by vaccines. Take a look on their own website. Why would such a thing exist if there were no risks with routine vaccines?

https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment

Jesus christ.

Anyway, I hope your little one feels better soon OP. I'm sure he will. My eldest was miserable after his MMR but he was fine again shortly after.

And another one.

The number of vaccine damage payments made is minute. It’s significantly lower than the number of people damaged or killed from the diseases they protect against. That’s the reality.

I agree that anyone who dares to suggest that they may have had a reaction to a vaccine is instantly labelled an anti vaxxer. It's a shame.

Hopefully OP's GP will take a balanced view and take in to account that this baby has just had his vaccines and maybe they made him feel poorly. The GP is the medic after all.

I remember the 4 jabs in one appointment with my youngest who is now 4.
I don't remember which but the nurse told me little one would feel the effect of one of them after around 3 days,
So it could be that your baby is still recovering from the effects of the jabs
I hope the doctor listened to your concerns though and didn't fob you off as a worried first time mum.

It’s not “this”. What is being ignored is anti vaxxers are using those who suffer exceptionally rare serious side effects to undermine something that saves billions of lives a year.

edited to reflect your edit. The anti vaccine call outs are to those who are blatantly anti vaccine. No one suggests that vaccines done come with side effects, those side effects are not a reason to not get the vaccine. That’s the issue.

Why are we deluding ourselves and trying to delude others into thinking that there's no such thing as bad reactions to vaccines.

The people reporting them aren't coming from a place of being anti vax, if they were they wouldn't have had the bloody things in the first place.

Exactly!! You can’t be a concerned parent on this site - question anything to do with vaccines and you get shut down as an imbecile.

I come from a generation that grew up before most jabs (born in 1954, measles jab developed in 1968). I had measles, rubella, whooping cough and mumps and I can't believe anyone would watch their children go through those illnesses in preference to a couple of vaccinations. DM had us signed up for every one going once they became available. Several school friends died of now-preventable childhood illnesses.