So worried about my baby, can any mums helps

[Mangochutneey]

I have joined mumsnet specifically to ask about this as I am now feeling desperate. My baby had his one year vaccines this time last week, four injections in total including the MMR. The following day he had a high temperature of over 40, called 111 when nothing brought it down and they said to take to a and e. We did this and they said he was fine and temperature was high but probably the vaccine. Sent home. He has been an entirely different baby since that day. Temperature over 40 continued on and off for first 4 days, that has now stopped.

But my baby is looking vacant, not engaging, staring into space, not playing. We went to the supermarket yesterday and two separate people commented that ‘if looks could kill,’… he looks angry. This is not like him. The biggest worry I have is sleep… he slept 14.5 hours last night and is now having a nap again already after waking up at 9:30am? He did the same yesterday and also had a 2.5 hour nap in the afternoon as well. That’s almost 18 hours of sleep a day?

I am very pro vaccines and we are paying for the chicken pox one soon but this has really scared me. Why is he sleeping so much so long after? Why has his temperament changed?

Hope your baby is ok ( just fyi mine slept 18 hours a day for ages ).

Well if your child had an unlicenced injection then I fail to understand why you are so quick to bash the MMR jab as unsafe. You choose an unlicensed injected to go into your child's body rather than a tested and proved one .Is the Irony of your comment lost on you 😏.

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both My children responded like this to any viruses that weren’t vomiting and diarrhoea, including the slow eye roll!
The injections may be a red herring and he’s fighting some other little virus.

Sleep helps them heal and recover so they often sleep more. Hope they’ve listened to you OP.

Regardless of what peoples’ vaccines opinions are @Mangochutneey, if your baby has had a vaccine injury, you need to get him to a paediatrician as soon as you can.

You need to tell them you are concerned it’s a vaccine injury and tell them you want your concerns addressing seriously.
If you don’t get someone to take you seriously, if your baby has suffered a vaccine injury, treatment won’t be as early as it could have been.
I am not saying this to scare you - I’m saying it because there might be things they can do to lessen harm.

If anyone here puts my post down saying I’m anti vax, I really don’t care. You only have to google how much money is paid out by the uk govt and pharmaceutical companies annually to realise vaccine injuries can and do happen.

You can be polite whilst still being assertive @Mangochutneey - take someone with you if you can. They will always see a baby.
Tell them at hospital your baby has totally changed in character and appears unwell and not like his normal self and that you want him to be fully assessed.

I hope he’s ok and it’s just a short reaction rather than injury.

Yes. I am very aware. I have one such child. And they are at ever increasing risk because of selfish parents making crappy decisions for their kids.

Not vaccinating those who can be increases the risk to kids like mine. Trust me, any parent who has a child who cannot get vaccinated knows exactly the point I am making and that it’s not about them or their children.

Not being able to get a vaccine has NOTHING to do with ignorant people CHOOSING not to.

Why are you being a prick to a worried mum?

My baby really worried me after the 8 week ones, he was my second child so I wasn't surprised he was a bit ill, but he had been making loads of eye contact and suddenly stopped, wouldn't look at me, it was very pronounced. I held him for the jabs, dunno if that's why. He was ill and pissed off for quite a few days and we had to do a long haul flight in that time. I think he was just feeling iller from them than I realised. It passed.

@lemmein she wouldn't be worried if she had bothered to do even basic research

You know vaccine injury is literally just the ramblings of the ignorant right?

Are you crazy?

Of course vaccine injury is a real thing.
How totally ignorant to say otherwise!

Sometimes we worry even if it's not logical. And sometimes the medical establishment doesn't know everything. So while I am pro-vaccine and pro-evidence I do hate people who are so keen to crow over others and their ignorance.

@AnneValentine give yourself a little read of this….
https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment

Plenty of people didn’t take antenatal classes for various different reasons, that doesn’t make people willingly ignorant just because you say it does. There are many ways to educate yourself other than taking classes. Call me old fashioned but books still exist for a reason and if you want to be more modern you can use the internet to research or watch videos online. If Covid taught us anything, it’s that we don’t always need to be in physical proximity to people all of the time to be able to learn things and do our jobs. What a ridiculous comment but please carry on with your wilfully unhelpful and patronising attitude because that’s 100% the right method of getting people to listen to you. The irony of you calling the OP willingly ignorant is absolutely staggering. 🙄

No - vaccine damage is a real thing, vaccine injury is an inflammatory term use to create fear.

As for your remark re how much money is paid out. Well please share - how much money was paid out in the last ten years. How many successful claims did that actually amount to. And what is that as a percentage of the total vaccines administered.

here’s a clue - you’re more like to die at the hands of a road vehicle. Bet you still use a car though don’t you.

Of course she would be - what she is describing isn't run of the mill vaccine symptoms. Taking an antenatal class doesn't make you a doctor.

Anyway, carry on being a gobshite from the safety of your keyboard 🙄

There was nothing about 12 months vaccines in any of my antenatal classes.

You’ve made good decisions, good to get vaccinated. It’s cold and flu season, very probable he happened to contract flu at a similar time to getting his jab and the jab has temporarily compromised his immune system so he’s feeling worse. No doubt people will tell you tales of vaccine injuries but there is very little evidence that you should be worried. Hope the appointment went well and you feel reassured.

Ohhhh so you’re being pedantic over the term damage and injury 🤔
If you want to know the answers to the questions - I’m sure you’re quite able to find out yourself.

This is a baby - whatever the reason for his change in behaviour /raised temp etc, there’s no reason why the mum shouldn’t seek further assessment for her baby.

I do indeed know the answer. I know that as a percentage it’s not even a thing.

You however made a comment that suggests it’s something to be fearful of, so here’s you chance to quantify that fear. To evidence to a frantic mother that the risk from vaccines is evidenced by high vaccine damage payments.

We all know you won’t though. Because you know as well as I do it’s not actually a thing.

I hope your GP gives you the time you need to be heard and listened to.

Please report this reaction. https://yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk. You do not need your doctor's confirmation that your child's presentation is a result of the vaccine to do this - it is a suspected reaction, which is exactly what you believe it is. It also doesn't matter if it is a known reaction, it is still a reaction. Accurate reporting of all reactions helps build a picture about the vaccine.

Ensure that your concerns are accurately recorded in his notes. Accurate recording of his symptoms and your suspicion that they were caused by the vaccine will help build an accurate picture of your child's health. If in the future, you notice other reactions to vaccines, you may need this evidence to get an exemption for him.

My DD has her 1 year vaccs booked for Friday. Really wishing I hadn’t read this thread now 😔 I hope the GP helps give you some reassurance @Mangochutneey and your son is back to his usual self soon.

Hopefully you've had your appointment by now and I hope your lo is all ok. My ds1 was off colour for a month after his mmr at 13 months. I remember talking to the health visitor because he wasn't himself at all and he wouldn't eat which really wasn't like him. I think he survived that month on bananas, quavers and broccolli. She said it was common for babies to be off colour for a week or so after a vaccination, and that maybe he also caught a virus at a similar time. Although his temperature never went as high as 40.

Anyway he was eventually back to normal so all was well, but I was very worried about him for weeks. Hopefully your son will be feeling better soon.

Please do not worry. It’s quite typical to be completely fine, a small minority might be a bit under the weather but it’s not a big deal at all.