To think this isn't sexual assault...

[harerunner]

I saw a story on the BBC about Jenni Hermoso testifying in a sexual assault case about her kiss with Luis Rubiales. Not having seen the kiss, I decided to look at a video of it, a link of which I've put below.

Firstly, i need to say I think sexual assault is extremely serious, and it's appalling how low the conviction rate is for sexual crimes. Men get away with far too much, and it's sickening.

However, in all honesty, i wouldn't class the kiss here as sexual assault. This is a lengthy full body embrace followed by a very brief peck of a kiss.

If something like this is classed as sexual assault, then it surely makes it impossible to initiate anything physical at all without explicit verbal consent.

Surely there's much more to this... i reckon she hated the guy before this incident and this was a way to get him back for other shitty and belittling treatment from him over the years.

AIBU?

And you're not changing society. You're just making women look like drama queens for trying to spin non events/common occurrences into sexual assault rather than just saying "please don't touch me again".

100% you wouldn't bat an eyelid if a male player moaned about being kissed.

I think it will make men in authority less trusting of women in general. And women in authority already distrust women so the net effect of ridiculous allegations like these is very negative for women.

A lot of women seem to expect 'all for one and one for themself.'

It is acceptable though. It’s not sexual assault.

In this case the woman couldn’t simply say “please don’t touch me again” because he’d already done it and moved on.

I 100% would bat an eyelid at any man who complained that they had been kissed without their consent.

Only in your opinion. Society only changes when people speak up. I'm sure the suffragettes were also mocked by the equivalent term of drama queens in their day.

I actually find it pretty disgusting that you call someone being kissed on the lips so they can't move against their will a non-event. The irony is you complain about it being done to you.

Then Hermoso will be getting hundreds of death threats. It won't be a victory and people will pity the bloke for getting put on a sex offenders register for a misjudged but non sexual kiss.

Only people with warped views like you. Death threats? FFS.

She’s already had hundreds of death threats. Don’t have no basic awareness of this case?

It must be extremely difficult for many posters on this thread to accept that they are thick misogynistic goady women haters. It can't be a nice place to be. It's difficult to admit that you are a woman but you fucking hate them. Also it's difficult to accept that you've been sexually assaulted by all of your female relatives over the last 40/50 years. You poor sad, sick, mentally unwell people.

No it isn't acceptable. Maybe you just wish it was. Which is pretty disgusting for someone with a daughter.

Given that a non-consensual physical act took place, is there any term you would be happy with it being called?

I think you missed my point lol. I in no way regard my granny as a sexual abuser. 🤣

And the suffragettes who blinded/maimed innocent postal workers with their letter bombs and tried to detonate bombs against the public in churches and theatres?

Wonder how you'd feel if your daughter was blinded and facially disfigured at work by a political activist, or killed while at the theatre?

And yet you defend HIM.

Will you accept the verdict of the Spanish court if he is not convicted.

this is the acid test of your motives here.

I will accept the verdict regardless of what it is. Will you?

Yeah. He’s not the one sending the death threats, is he?

And yet they changed society by speaking up.

I'm not suggesting we bomb people by the way.

Straw men a-hoy.

oooh, let’s make up a new category of villain now that the nonce label isn’t going to stick.

such fair minded natural justice.

Yes that's what happens when thousands of people feel aggrieved at an individual. Look at JK Rowling and many others who've fallen foul of public opinion. I don't think male football fans will be the most sympathetic tbh.

He's certainly tried to whip up public opinion against her.

Why didn't he just apologise at the outset?

Because he's an entitled, power-crazed arse who didn't think he'd done anything wrong. And you seem to agree with him. Despite having a daughter. Yuck.

Are we really now up to - don't go to court as a witness in a sexual assault case in case you get death threats?

You pulled away......

That's the difference here, you were able to pull away. This woman wasn't given that opportunity. A man in a position of power grabbed her by the head and forced her to kiss him.

More than that, he used the fact that they we're on a huge public stage to ensure that she wouldn't be able to make a scene. Can you imagine what would have happened if say, she kicked him in the nuts to try and get away at that moment?

It's not a straw man. They used tactics akin to Al Queda and had they been better at making bombs (i.e. had they actually detonated) they'd have committed atrocities akin to the Manchester Arena Bombing. Not people that should be idolised no matter their goals.

And their contribution is debatable as women getting the vote was more due to the war effort.

I think it's also don't speak up against negative male behaviour. Just play nice and go back into the kitchen or you get the death threats.

She has used the entire global media to whip up sentiment against him. How come it’s ok for her to do that? He has said virtually nothing.

if I were her employer, the Spanish FA, I would also be aggrieved at her for not following standard protocol. Instead of raining a complain with HR or the Police she took her complaint to the worldwide media, making any kind of untainted investigation impossible. I have no doubt she has breached her Code of conduct and policies governing her actions as an employee.

I hope he is acquitted and goes after her for the Spanish equivalent of defamation.