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Partners mother overstepping just doesn't stop! Long one ...

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Mamasperspective · 29/12/2023 19:01

So I have a 15 month old and I'm about to give birth to my second in a couple of weeks.

At about 4 weeks pregnant, we decided to tell partners parents and closest members of my family as my bump was quite prominent early on. A week later, we had a conversation with partners mother around boundaries (my partner spoke to her first then I reached out to her to try to explain our reasoning)

Partners mother was a baby hogger with my first born and I didn't feel confident speaking up. She also visited CONSTANTLY and consequently I ended up with post-natal depression. I felt like I couldn't bond with my baby because someone else was constantly holding her. She would also always refer to LO as 'her' baby. When asked to pass baby back, partners mother would say "No I will not"

She had been feeding my first born chocolate from 6 months old when I wasn't present. She did it once in front of me at about 7 months old and was asked not to (doctor had said no chocolate/processed sugars as this made her constipation worse and gave her anal fissures). She continued to do it anyway until we had the final boundaries conversation.

I asked her not to constantly talk about brain aneurysms as I found it very upsetting, especially being pregnant. Her sister had a brain aneurysm and recovered so I would hear in detail all about it repeatedly. She knew my mum had died of one a few years before and she knew it was the most traumatic experience of my life.

She would constantly voice awful insults about her husband and how unhappy she was in front of my partner which really upset partner because he loves his dad.

Anyway, she was asked to stop all of the above (in a very respectful way) as we were expecting again and didn't want the same scenario with the next baby. She was REALLY passive aggressive, took zero accountability and played the victim because she was so hurt and I had (quote) knocked her off her pedestal.

I have been rewarded with 8 months silent treatment (almost the entire duration of this second pregnancy)

In total I have reached out to this woman on 4 separate occasions for us to sit and talk and move forward but she is not interested at all and either shuts me down or doesn't respond. Quite covert narcissistic behaviour. I have mainly done this for my partner's sake as he hates the conflict.

He has taken our LO round to his mothers once a fortnight for a short visit (on the understanding he is to be present for the duration of the visit) because he says 'It's his mum' and 'that's just the way she is' .... I hate that someone who can be so emotionally manipulative is around our daughter but it's his daughter too so I just have to sit and suffer through the anxiety. I've asked him to speak up for me and while he has 'talked' to her and tried to convince her to apologise, he won't stand up to her and tell her that her behaviour is completely unacceptable, again because 'it's his mum'

Despite not speaking to me, his mother sent money for my birthday (end of October) with a card. I asked my partner to return it saying that, I was grateful for the kind gesture but that I couldn't accept it under the circumstances until we had had a conversation. She refused. She has sent a Christmas gift and money round and I have messaged her expressing the same message. She read my message and ignored it. Maybe it's the cynic in me but I feel this is done to try and make her look 'reasonable' in everyone else's eyes. Either that or she expects me to rug sweep which will never happen.

Before we fell out, I had a few long conversations with partners mother over Christmas ornaments and how I used to buy one for my mum every year. I explained how sentimental this was for me and that my cousin had asked if she could buy my daughter an ornament every year. I said that I had explained to her this is something I would rather keep between my daughter and I as it was really important to me. Partners mother decided to buy my daughter an ornament last year (which I kind of understand with it being her first Christmas) but lo and behold, has bought her one this year too and written her name and the year on the back. I also expressed how excited I was to buy my daughter her first snow globe which I wanted to save for this year when she was a bit older to enjoy it - his mother bought her one first.

My partner and I had discussed wanting to get married but the only thing making me say no is his mother. I feel deflated and like I don't have a voice anymore and it's negatively impacting my relationship with my partner because the topic keeps cropping up and he says just to accept who she is. It's had a huge negative impact on my pregnancy and the guilt I feel is next level as I don't know what will happen going forward and feel awful bringing another child into the world when I feel like partners mother could potentially cause my relationship to deteriorate.

An outside opinion would be very welcome. Please don't be too harsh as I'm about to 'drop' in 2 weeks lol.

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Spirallingdownwards · 29/12/2023 22:59

I think that the taking your DD by DP has to stop. You have no idea what he is allowing his mother to do with her when he visits as evidenced by him thinking it is acceptable to put a raw egg in a bottle.

Mamasperspective · 29/12/2023 23:05

@Gazelda thanks for your message. I think my main issue is that I don't trust her with my children. She wasn't willing to agree to check with us first before giving LO new foods (we'd ALWAYS have LO's foods with us) and has instead chosen to shut me out. She's always had conflict with her son's partners so my daughter is the only grandchild she is allowed access to. She has adult granddaughters and a 12 yr old granddaughter who all will have nothing to do with her and neither will their mothers. One of the mothers lives locally but I have been unable to find her contact details as I would appreciate insight from someone who has known partners mother for a lot longer than I have (5 years)

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Soontobe60 · 29/12/2023 23:06

Before we fell out, I had a few long conversations with partners mother over Christmas ornaments and how I used to buy one for my mum every year. I explained how sentimental this was for me and that my cousin had asked if she could buy my daughter an ornament every year. I said that I had explained to her this is something I would rather keep between my daughter and I as it was really important to me. Partners mother decided to buy my daughter an ornament last year (which I kind of understand with it being her first Christmas) but lo and behold, has bought her one this year too and written her name and the year on the back. I also expressed how excited I was to buy my daughter her first snow globe which I wanted to save for this year when she was a bit older to enjoy it - his mother bought her one first
What a lovely thoughtful gesture she made - you do know you can out more than 1 decoration on a christmas tree? Also, snow globe??? My mum bought all her grandchildren special things at Christmas, and as adults they all still have those things in memory of her. Your children will benefit from having close relationships with a wider family.

Livelovebehappy · 29/12/2023 23:11

Your dh is aware of what his mother is like, and says that’s just who she is. She’s his mum though, and despite her flaws, he loves her, and must feel crap being caught up in this power struggle between you both. Your dc is only there with your dp, so the conversation you need to have if there are certain things you dont want to happen whilst they’re there, is with your dp. He can then make sure any boundaries (that are relevant and not petty stuff) are followed. Maybe she doesn’t want ‘the discussion’ you keep referring to as she doesn’t want to be preached at.

Livelovebehappy · 29/12/2023 23:14

Spirallingdownwards · 29/12/2023 22:59

I think that the taking your DD by DP has to stop. You have no idea what he is allowing his mother to do with her when he visits as evidenced by him thinking it is acceptable to put a raw egg in a bottle.

Seriously? Of course op can’t start imposing restrictions on where her dp can take his child. The children are his too, and presumably op trusts him as she chose to have dc’s with him. If she doesn’t, then why is she with him?

shampooing · 29/12/2023 23:14

I would just not have contact with her, see her silent treatment as a gift.

On a practical note you could try breastfeeding this baby and then they can’t be brought round to her house when tiny.
That’s not the big solution though, people either respect your rules and boundaries or they can piss off. MIL has never been alone with our DC, and will never be asked to babysit.

Mamasperspective · 29/12/2023 23:18

@Soontobe60 thanks for the input. I would have just felt crappy accepting something from someone who has no relationship with me but I guess that's just how I was brought up. I expressed gratitude for the thought but would feel like I was unreasonable taking her money while there was such conflict. It just wouldn't sit right with me. The issue is, I'm with her son and she claims she loves her son and grandkids but in my eyes, her ego is much more important to her. If she respected boundaries around my children, I would feel more relaxed about the situation but she doesn't which makes her untrustworthy around my LO and soon to be newborn. I'm going to be exclusively breastfeeding so she won't get to meet this baby if she can't be in the same room as me which I know will hurt my partner but she seems more concerned about herself before my children or him. I've tried my best to repair this for my partners sake. I also don't trust what narrative she will drip feed my kids as they grow as I have heard her say nasty things about her sons other exes (surely there must be something wrong with her if there are all these separate conflicts with different people?)

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Mamasperspective · 29/12/2023 23:27

@Soontobe60 I just felt like she was trying to beat me to the punch over the ornament things. Maybe it was unreasonable but it was the fact I had told her how excited I was to do this exclusively with my daughter ... and she went and did it anyway. I just wish she'd have tried to create her own tradition. I know that may sound unreasonable but it was important to me and she knew that. Doesn't matter anyway as partner chose not to display anything his mother bought and one got broken (wasn't me!)

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Mamasperspective · 29/12/2023 23:31

@shampooing thank you. Yes I will be exclusively breastfeeding this baby and partners mother won't ever be allowed to babysit either of my children nor be alone with them without my partner present. My partner has agreed to only supervised access. Luckily I have a supportive family with aunts, cousins and my dad (who is a superstar, he asks me to write down LO's schedule for him in case anything has changed so he can follow it to the letter) so I have plenty of people who can and do babysit and I know both my children will be a lot closer to my family

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Whattodo112222 · 29/12/2023 23:36

Op. Just as a side, you do sound equally as controlling but just in a different way. She's quite clearly vindictively controlling. But your anxiety has wrapped you up so tight that your actions can also be seen as quite controlling.

I would say, just pick your battles, the whole ornaments and snow globes thing might be of significance to you, but really it is just not the end of the world and not a hill to die on.

Your MIL is never going to like you. You're never going to like her.

Just enjoy the peace that NC gives you and stop reaching out to her, expressing anything or telling her things.

LookItsMeAgain · 29/12/2023 23:38

Purplewarrior · 29/12/2023 21:11

You have a DP problem.

He cares more about upsetting his mother than about upsetting you.

Yep - this poster has it.

Mamasperspective · 29/12/2023 23:45

@Whattodo112222 thanks, I realise this. Unfortunately I just don't like what this whole situation has become so now I feel at a crossroads re what is best for me and my children, do I really want to be in this situation for years going forward? I deeply love my partner and aside from the topic of his mother, our relationship is great but it's like a constant black cloud. He says I always take priority over his mother but his actions don't exactly back this up. I wish I wasn't due in 2 weeks, I could do with taking my daughter away for a couple of weeks and getting some head space. I was ok with the distance until we had to navigate the holidays (I had previously always hosted his parents) and feeling conflicted over accepting gifts. The pregnancy hormones won't be helping because I'm in a lot of pain now I'm at the end.

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Codlingmoths · 29/12/2023 23:54

I think when your partner says he is supporting you, you could say have you noticed your other siblings all support their partners to keep their children totally away from your mum? She is that bad. What is actually happening here is I am supporting you, I always have been by hosting your parents, by being ok with you taking our daughter to see her. I won’t be supporting her seeing our baby as I can’t imagine you taking baby to visit her without me, and post birth caring for a newborn I am the one who needs support. I didn’t have it with dd, it was extremely difficult, and neither I nor baby will be seeing your mum for some time, and I need your support in this. Why don’t you talk to your brothers? It would be great for dd to meet cousins.

Mamasperspective · 30/12/2023 00:00

@Codlingmoths it's partners ex wife that won't let his daughter anywhere near his mother and, from what I understand, there was a lot of conflict around his mothers actions. Also partners eldest brother (unfortunately now deceased) didn't have a relationship with his mother and it was him and his wife who also had a negative experience with this woman and, now partners brother is gone, the wife and their children hate partners mother. I initially was trying to find their contact details to maybe give me some clarity on my situation as I only ever heard partners mothers side of the story and, after my experience with her, I don't believe her version of events.

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DeeCeeCherry · 30/12/2023 00:09

BananaSpanner

She sounded a big problem with your first time but I think having a boundaries conversation about she should behave around dc2 when you were only 5 weeks pregnant was a bit odd, it could have waited. Then, once that fall out had happened, of course your partner is going to take her to see his mum. Presumably this would be nice for child as well

You say you’ve reached out to her but then you’ve also refused two gifts from her. Surely if you wanted to open communication, it would have been better to thank her and go from there

Agree with this. I mean your MIL is far more difficult than you are. But still, you're hard work. Stop with all this drama just continue to not have much contact with her. & you aren't going to be able to make her dance to your tune regarding how she is around her grandchild either. Your H can go to see his Mum & take child with him. I hope you wouldn't aim to get in the way of that? You can stay home get some rest, enjoy some time to yourself. No need to hyper-focus on MIL

Sometimeswinning · 30/12/2023 00:12

You won’t marry him but will have a second child? This makes no sense.

shampooing · 30/12/2023 00:29

@DeeCeeCherry I do let DH take DC to see MIL but he very seldom wants to go. DH did not take baby DC anywhere without me when they were young and reliant on breastfeeding, sometimes DC1 would want to feed pretty constantly, there was no predictable pattern. It should be added that we didn’t discriminate against MIL, he didn’t take DC1 anywhere much without me for many months.
If OP can’t trust her MIL, then she needs to be very sure she can trust her DP if he’s bringing the children there. In her shoes I would absolutely get in the way of baby DC going to her house.

OP I forgot to say earlier I know what you mean about the snow globe. With DC1 MIL bought ‘baby’s first Christmas’ stocking and pyjamas and dressing gown. I just said thanks and didn’t use them. DH told her there are some things we as parents are excited to buy.

DeeCeeCherry · 30/12/2023 01:13

shampooing
If OP can’t trust her MIL, then she needs to be very sure she can trust her DP if he’s bringing the children there. In her shoes I would absolutely get in the way of baby DC going to her house

How would you get in the way, do you impose a ban? I suppose you can if your husband does as he's told. Not everyone will accept that regime tho.

But as for OP - It's her husband's child too. Why would OP have a child with him if she doesn't or can't trust him? She hasn't indicated that he's a man who isn't trustworthy. & presumably as husband and wife they can and do talk to each other so hopefully can sort this out.

Honestly sometimes you just have to let go of the crave to win, when the win isn't even worth the stress you'll bring on to yourself when instead you can just disengage as far as possible.

Mumof2teens79 · 30/12/2023 04:07

BananaSpanner · 29/12/2023 21:48

I’m surprised at the early replies coming down so heavily on your side as I think some of your behaviour sounds quite difficult also.

She sounded a big problem with your first time but I think having a boundaries conversation about she should behave around dc2 when you were only 5 weeks pregnant was a bit odd, it could have waited. Then, once that fall out had happened, of course your partner is going to take her to see his mum. Presumably this would be nice for child aswell.

You say you’ve reached out to her but then you’ve also refused two gifts from her. Surely if you wanted to open communication, it would have been better to thank her and go from there.

All this ‘DH problem’ stuff that people quote. Most people wouldn’t cut off a parent just because they had a difficult relationship with a spouse.

Agree with this.

OP - You told people at 4 weeks because you had a bump?
That's literally the first day your period was late....pretty sure you could have got away with it for a bit longer.

JustAMinutePleass · 30/12/2023 04:25

Chocolate at 6 months isn’t great but in the absence of an allergy is fine as a baby should be weaning at that point. Similarly first snowglobe etc is fine as your LO is her grandchild.

Honestly I think the fault here lies with you and DP not setting boundaries. Don’t let her sit for hours with the baby - lock yourself in your bedroom with your kids if you don’t want to see her when she arrives. Similarly don’t allow her to feed your kids. But I do think you’d be cruel to deny your kids what seems like a loving but batshit grandmother when they already lost one.

Poppysmom22 · 30/12/2023 07:12

I took the line of they are your family and you can see them whenever you want but they are not welcome in my home and I won’t be spending time with them or communicating with them. I blocked them and deleted them in every way I could and left it at that. If dh wants to spend time with them he goes to there’s. It was hard because I am a people pleaser but life is so much better without them in my head

Mamasperspective · 30/12/2023 08:57

@Sometimeswinning I didn't expect her to ever switch and display herself as a victim and resort to silent treatment at a simple boundaries conversation (which was relayed as nicely as I could and with respect - partner read and approved the message first) so I was already pregnant with #2 when all this happened and it came out of left field.

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JWhipple · 30/12/2023 09:08

AreYouReallyOkay · 29/12/2023 21:30

I mean...some of this seems reasonable, like the not feeding her chocolate.

But she's allowed to talk about her husband if she wants, and allowed to talk about brain aneurysms if she wants. You can't ban an adult from certain topics I don't think.

The snow globe thing just isn't worth it. Other people buying them doesn't make yours less of a tradition between you and your daughter.

I don't think there's any resolution here though tbh.

Of course she can talk about those things. To her friends. Her other family. A person in the post office.
She's been asked not to by OP because it's upsetting and still she persists.
Her actions have an unpleasant motive it seems. They all seem reasonable but they're very deliberate aren't they?

Mamasperspective · 30/12/2023 09:09

@JustAMinutePleass doctor specifically mentioned chocolate as one of the issues causing LO's constipation. I couldn't understand her being in such a state - literally bleeding - after always coming back from his mothers (I work from home so sometimes he would take her without me). His mother wasn't chastised for this but was asked politely to not give LO chocolate or sweets (bearing in mind this woman is also diabetic so there's a history of that in their family) and instead of agreeing, she continued to do it then had a fit when she was found out and told that under no circumstances is LO allowed certain foods.

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Mamasperspective · 30/12/2023 09:27

@Mumof2teens79 with my first pregnancy I was quite big and, getting pregnant again just months after the first time, my belly just seemed to pop with the hormones/a bit of extra fluid. I also wanted to include closest family from the start in the excitement as, with my first I had invited partners mother to scans/appointments to make her feel involved (as she doesn't get any access to her other grandchildren and I'd only had her version of events as to why)

I agree it was probably too soon but pregnancy hormones along with the absence of my mum during a second pregnancy meant I got quite panicked about what would happen this time round. His mother had been round (again) turned up at our house, walked in, ignored us both (didn't even say hi) and went straight for LO, pulled a bag of chocolate out of her pocket (after 4 separate conversations about LO not being allowed chocolate) and when I went in the kitchen to make tea, she gave LO chocolate - my partner was there so he was at fault too for not speaking up. I came in and (again) said LO can't have chocolate. Partner left for work and his mother stayed and again started talking about brain aneurysms. Once she had gone, I burst into tears and rang partner because I just needed to talk to someone about how I was feeling. The following morning (after his night shift) he went round and spoke to her about crossing boundaries (I don't know what was said) and she went radio silence (only with me) for a week. He asked me to message her directly (which I did and he read the message first) and here we are 8 months later with me as public enemy number 1 yet she has no issue with partner and still demands access to LO.

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