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Partners mother overstepping just doesn't stop! Long one ...

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Mamasperspective · 29/12/2023 19:01

So I have a 15 month old and I'm about to give birth to my second in a couple of weeks.

At about 4 weeks pregnant, we decided to tell partners parents and closest members of my family as my bump was quite prominent early on. A week later, we had a conversation with partners mother around boundaries (my partner spoke to her first then I reached out to her to try to explain our reasoning)

Partners mother was a baby hogger with my first born and I didn't feel confident speaking up. She also visited CONSTANTLY and consequently I ended up with post-natal depression. I felt like I couldn't bond with my baby because someone else was constantly holding her. She would also always refer to LO as 'her' baby. When asked to pass baby back, partners mother would say "No I will not"

She had been feeding my first born chocolate from 6 months old when I wasn't present. She did it once in front of me at about 7 months old and was asked not to (doctor had said no chocolate/processed sugars as this made her constipation worse and gave her anal fissures). She continued to do it anyway until we had the final boundaries conversation.

I asked her not to constantly talk about brain aneurysms as I found it very upsetting, especially being pregnant. Her sister had a brain aneurysm and recovered so I would hear in detail all about it repeatedly. She knew my mum had died of one a few years before and she knew it was the most traumatic experience of my life.

She would constantly voice awful insults about her husband and how unhappy she was in front of my partner which really upset partner because he loves his dad.

Anyway, she was asked to stop all of the above (in a very respectful way) as we were expecting again and didn't want the same scenario with the next baby. She was REALLY passive aggressive, took zero accountability and played the victim because she was so hurt and I had (quote) knocked her off her pedestal.

I have been rewarded with 8 months silent treatment (almost the entire duration of this second pregnancy)

In total I have reached out to this woman on 4 separate occasions for us to sit and talk and move forward but she is not interested at all and either shuts me down or doesn't respond. Quite covert narcissistic behaviour. I have mainly done this for my partner's sake as he hates the conflict.

He has taken our LO round to his mothers once a fortnight for a short visit (on the understanding he is to be present for the duration of the visit) because he says 'It's his mum' and 'that's just the way she is' .... I hate that someone who can be so emotionally manipulative is around our daughter but it's his daughter too so I just have to sit and suffer through the anxiety. I've asked him to speak up for me and while he has 'talked' to her and tried to convince her to apologise, he won't stand up to her and tell her that her behaviour is completely unacceptable, again because 'it's his mum'

Despite not speaking to me, his mother sent money for my birthday (end of October) with a card. I asked my partner to return it saying that, I was grateful for the kind gesture but that I couldn't accept it under the circumstances until we had had a conversation. She refused. She has sent a Christmas gift and money round and I have messaged her expressing the same message. She read my message and ignored it. Maybe it's the cynic in me but I feel this is done to try and make her look 'reasonable' in everyone else's eyes. Either that or she expects me to rug sweep which will never happen.

Before we fell out, I had a few long conversations with partners mother over Christmas ornaments and how I used to buy one for my mum every year. I explained how sentimental this was for me and that my cousin had asked if she could buy my daughter an ornament every year. I said that I had explained to her this is something I would rather keep between my daughter and I as it was really important to me. Partners mother decided to buy my daughter an ornament last year (which I kind of understand with it being her first Christmas) but lo and behold, has bought her one this year too and written her name and the year on the back. I also expressed how excited I was to buy my daughter her first snow globe which I wanted to save for this year when she was a bit older to enjoy it - his mother bought her one first.

My partner and I had discussed wanting to get married but the only thing making me say no is his mother. I feel deflated and like I don't have a voice anymore and it's negatively impacting my relationship with my partner because the topic keeps cropping up and he says just to accept who she is. It's had a huge negative impact on my pregnancy and the guilt I feel is next level as I don't know what will happen going forward and feel awful bringing another child into the world when I feel like partners mother could potentially cause my relationship to deteriorate.

An outside opinion would be very welcome. Please don't be too harsh as I'm about to 'drop' in 2 weeks lol.

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AreYouReallyOkay · 29/12/2023 22:00

Wibblywobblylikejelly · 29/12/2023 21:57

Do you have anyone in your family or close to you that you can stay with? I would leave him stating he can't be trusted during your PP so you will stay where you're safe.

What on earth?! How is the OP unsafe? I think this is incredibly shite advice for a heavily pregnant woman who just doesn't get along with her pain in the arse MIL.

DecorationsDown · 29/12/2023 22:00

She needs to stop talking about the aneurysms. I am sorry that happened to your mum. The ‘her baby’ stuff and chocolate feeding were wrong.

The bitching about her husband is not really your business.

The ornament thing is OTT on your part I feel.

i am not sure any parent would like to listen to a ‘lecture’ about future boundaries with a list of their previous misdemeanours. It was never going to go down well. A less dictatorial approach, maybe more organically delivered could have yielded better results.

Wibblywobblylikejelly · 29/12/2023 22:02

AreYouReallyOkay · 29/12/2023 22:00

What on earth?! How is the OP unsafe? I think this is incredibly shite advice for a heavily pregnant woman who just doesn't get along with her pain in the arse MIL.

She is a risk to OPs MH. And her DH is shit. I would absolutly advise to get him to choose a side.

Hankunamatata · 29/12/2023 22:04

You had a firm boundary conversation once already, I don't see why you needed to do another one when you were 4 weeks pregnant when she hadn't actually shown any of the previous behaviour yet!

She may be a nightmare but perhaps she is stepping back rather than calling it silent treatment. I'm not sure what there is to discuss. You told her what you don't want her to do, she doesn't feel able. Not sure why you keep reaching out.

You don't need to have a relationship with her. It's perfectly fine for dc dad to take her to visit his mum without you

AreYouReallyOkay · 29/12/2023 22:04

Oh don't be daft @Wibblywobblylikejelly

You're advising that a woman with a toddler and a newborn kick her husband out in the post partum weeks, in case her mental health is affected by him having a difficult mother.

Get a grip!

Hankunamatata · 29/12/2023 22:06

How is she really an issue anymore? You don't speak. You havnt for 8 months. Your partner take dc for visits.

Wibblywobblylikejelly · 29/12/2023 22:06

AreYouReallyOkay · 29/12/2023 22:04

Oh don't be daft @Wibblywobblylikejelly

You're advising that a woman with a toddler and a newborn kick her husband out in the post partum weeks, in case her mental health is affected by him having a difficult mother.

Get a grip!

No I didn't. He can stay. I said for her to find somewhere where she can feel well

Mamasperspective · 29/12/2023 22:08

I reached out to her on 3 separate occasions before any gifts were sent. Maybe I took the wrong actions but I just said I didn't feel right accepting gifts while there was conflict between us. I had asked to sit down and calmly reach a resolution over a coffee and she said no.

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AreYouReallyOkay · 29/12/2023 22:10

Riiiight...

So your equally brilliant suggestion is that a post partum woman leaves her home with newborn and toddler, to avoid a woman who already hasn't spoken to her for the last 8 months?

Are you aware there's an actual real human on the other side of your phone who doesn't really need batshit suggestions that would entirely upend her life?

Mamasperspective · 29/12/2023 22:10

Maybe you are right. It was after another aneurysm conversation and I was suffering with a lot of anxiety about the pregnancy worrying that her behaviour would be the same this time round.

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Wibblywobblylikejelly · 29/12/2023 22:13

AreYouReallyOkay · 29/12/2023 22:10

Riiiight...

So your equally brilliant suggestion is that a post partum woman leaves her home with newborn and toddler, to avoid a woman who already hasn't spoken to her for the last 8 months?

Are you aware there's an actual real human on the other side of your phone who doesn't really need batshit suggestions that would entirely upend her life?

You don't have to agree with me. But that's my opinion. You're welcome to yours.

I don't think OP should be exposed to her useless husband and bitch MIL.

Do you think MIL is going to stay away when there's fresh blood? Do you think DH will be happy to enact a complete ban until The baby is old enough to be away from OP?

Nag I wouldn't put up with this anymore.

BMTHGlasgow · 29/12/2023 22:16

She's not exposed because they don't talk!

But your advice is to break up the nuclear family just in case what, she comes round for a coffee or sends a text?

Yep, sounds sensible to me 👍🏻

Hotchocolateand5marshmellows · 29/12/2023 22:22

My advice is to not allow your partner to take the baby off to meet her without you. A lot of women dont feel ready to be separated from thier babies for a good few weeks/months, and especially not if you breastfeed. Then if she wants to meet her second grandchild she'll have to come round and talk to you. And when she does I'd just reiterate that you'd like to move on.

Also in future don't tell her little things that you want to do like snow globes and then she can't ruin it.

Mamasperspective · 29/12/2023 22:24

@AnnaMagnani I only told her the personal details before we fell out. I told her all about the ornaments etc when I was late in my first pregnancy and how excited I was to have this exclusive 'thing' with my daughter as I'd had with my own mum. It was only once I'd had the baby she became quite territorial but she'd had all boys and always said how she had wanted a girl. She has other granddaughters but they have nothing to do with her (and neither do their mothers) so it appears I'm not the first to experience her behaviour

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Gazelda · 29/12/2023 22:25

Her behaviour sounds unkind. The aneurism talk was cruel.

But I also think that you've decided she is in the wrong and that you aren't and it's all on her to put right.

Maybe she also feels slighted by things you've said or done? Maybe she feels excluded or judged or unwanted? I'm not saying that she has any right to feel those things, but perhaps it would be helpful to think about how things are from her perspective?

You've reached out to her 3 times. She's sent you gifts twice. It was incredibly rude to return the gifts. Why not pick up the phone and say thank you? From her point of view, you seem determined that she is evil and will not be part of your family.

Your DP is wet. But understandably so - he's caught between 2 very strong willed women.

Whoever is in the right or wrong, you can choose to stress over snow globes or you can be the bigger person and let your DC have a loving relationship with their grandparent.

CarrotCake01 · 29/12/2023 22:25

This all sounds unfortunate OP. She sounds like a pain in the neck and you two clearly just clash!

I'm sorry that you aren't getting the support you need from your OH but sometimes it doesn't hurt to put things into perspective.

This woman isn't the devil and isn't actively trying to put a wedge between you and your daughter. I think keeping some respectful distance is probably the right thing to do for now at least.

FWIW I probably wouldn't have returned the gifts. You've tried to reach out and this sounds like her version of bridging the gap slightly, perhaps.

Best of luck with the upcoming birth!

shreddednips · 29/12/2023 22:27

Your MIL sounds awful, but I think it would be a good idea for you to let the smaller stuff go. The current setup seems like the best and only solution- you know she's not going to change, so you don't have contact with her. A short fortnightly visit with your DP supervising seems fine to me, she may be a nightmare but I'm not sure what the harm could be if he's there overseeing contact- you said yourself he's a good father so I'd trust him.

The snow globe and ornament business is annoying but you know what she's like and that she'll try to muscle in if she knows something is important to you- so just don't tell her anything else like this and it shouldn't be an issue.

I get why you don't feel right accepting gifts but I would advise you to handle these situations in whatever way is least likely to cause drama/unnecessary contact/discussions for your own sanity. For example, I would guess that simply keeping the card and money and asking your DP to pass on thanks is less likely to cause a stir than returning the gift. I understand the principle but I think you should do whatever gives you a quiet life as long as it doesn't put anyone at risk of harm. So I'd say unwanted gifts aren't a hill to die on, feeding a baby chocolate IS a hill to die on because it could harm the baby.

Tackling everything she does that bothers you is going to exhaust you and the stuff that matters is going to get buried under a hill of stuff that is annoying but ultimately not hurting anyone. I'd stop trying to reach out to her, shrug and ignore irritations and get your DP to deal with the stuff that can't be ignored.

Mamasperspective · 29/12/2023 22:28

@AreYouReallyOkay I just wanted to make her aware of the talking about her husband thing as it was hurting partners feelings. Although he's proven he doesn't always advocate for me when I need him to, I would always try to advocate for him.

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SleepingBeautySnores · 29/12/2023 22:36

Personally OP, having experienced a MIL from hell in the past, I would be telling my DH that unless he is able to get his DM to sort things out with you, and behave herself, then he wouldn't be taking either of my children round there to see her without me. He is bound to leave your babies with her unattended at some point, (after all, we all pretty much trust our own mothers), and in your shoes I wouldn't want this woman dripping her poison into my children's ears when I'm not there to protect them, however tiny they are at present. She needs to grow up, accept that your LO and your new baby, when he/she arrives, are YOURS not hers, and behave accordingly, ie, ask for permission to hold, feed, rock, or do whatever with them, and unless she's prepared to follow YOUR rules, then I'd be making sure she had no contact with my children, regardless of the fact that lots of people will say that they're HIS children too. This, because as I said above, he will always trust her to do what she's been asked to do, but you know full well, as you are not blinkered by family love, that she cannot be trusted. Good luck with the birth of your baby OP, and having laid down your boundaries, be sure and stick to them, for both your health and that of your children.

Mamasperspective · 29/12/2023 22:37

@Hankunamatata I just relayed what the doctor said about chocolate and the like (giving updates after LO's doctors appts) but she carried on with the chocolate thing, the first main boundary conversation was when I was in early pregnancy this time as I had anxiety around having the same experience with her again. From being young, she would hog my first born and it got to a stage where baby would hysterically cry the second this woman walked into the room, tried to hold her or even when she heard her voice. As soon as she went into another room the baby would settle ... I hate myself for not speaking up more back then.

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Mamasperspective · 29/12/2023 22:45

Thank you so much @SleepingBeautySnores ... I will be honest, I don't trust her with my babies (this is a woman who said I should feed a 6 week old raw egg in her bottle because she was a 'hungry baby') but I also don't think my partner would stand up to his mother if she went to overstep. For example, I was horrified by the egg suggestion, he wasn't and just said she had raised kids of her own (40 years ago)

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Mamasperspective · 29/12/2023 22:48

Thanks for all your replies, it's certainly good for thought. Maybe I shouldn't have returned the gifts, I just felt like she was buying gifts to avoid taking any accountability or apologising. Initially I didn't even expect an apology, just for her to say that whatever rules/boundaries were in place for LO, she would respect.

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CarrotCake01 · 29/12/2023 22:51

Mamasperspective · 29/12/2023 22:37

@Hankunamatata I just relayed what the doctor said about chocolate and the like (giving updates after LO's doctors appts) but she carried on with the chocolate thing, the first main boundary conversation was when I was in early pregnancy this time as I had anxiety around having the same experience with her again. From being young, she would hog my first born and it got to a stage where baby would hysterically cry the second this woman walked into the room, tried to hold her or even when she heard her voice. As soon as she went into another room the baby would settle ... I hate myself for not speaking up more back then.

Hey now, don't think like that, OP.

You sound like a wonderful, caring and considerate mother who wants the best for her children.

Do not beat yourself up with this "I should have done more" attitude! You were brand new to motherhood and all the things that entails and you were learning as you went!

Not one woman in here has parented with no regrets or mistakes! You're doing okay, and despite the discomfort, your daughter was and is okay.

Don't sweat the small stuff, we live and we learn.

BMTHGlasgow · 29/12/2023 22:56

Mamasperspective · 29/12/2023 22:28

@AreYouReallyOkay I just wanted to make her aware of the talking about her husband thing as it was hurting partners feelings. Although he's proven he doesn't always advocate for me when I need him to, I would always try to advocate for him.

And by doing so making your relationship with her even worse. She's not the only difficult one here OP (am AreYou under a NC)

Soontobe60 · 29/12/2023 22:57

I don’t I understand why you’re constantly trying to have a ‘conversation’ with her when she clearly doesn’t want to talk to you. You would rather not see her, and thats whats happening. Returning her card and gift is childish. You’ve told her what you think of her, she keeps out of your way - I’m not sure what else you expect?