She used to fox hunt?!

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name change urgh

long story short - over Xmas got talking about newspiece about Boxing Day ‘trail hunts’. Got shock of my life when family member (married in not blood) revealed she had on occasion when younger joined hunts. actual fox hunts.

this is something I feel strongly about. I would never have thought this about her.

aibu to feel shocked, disappointed, and look a little differently at her now?

Willyoujustbequiet · Today 12:01

It is absolutely worse than a quick clean shoot

How do you know it’s always ‘a quick, clean shoot’?

It isn't really the big deal people make it out to be to follow the hunt amongst country people. For most riders it's a ride out and they'll keep well away from any kill that may or may not happen. I still follow hunting fb pages and go to watch hunts meet. I'm pleased that it's switched to trail hunting, as like most people it's all about the seeing the hounds and horses. I wouldn't go otherwise, attitudes change and what was acceptable 20 years ago wouldn't now.

Sorry but you are delusional. Ritual slaughter is permitted in this country which is throat cutting without stunning and is extremely painful and stressful for animals. Also pigs are killed horribly in CO2 chambers painfully and slowly - such intelligent sensitive animals should never suffer this way. The suffering is immense but it's behind closed doors so that people can pretend that it's not.

And that's before you even think about the dismal terrible quality of their lives.

I'm sure you were all sat round a table with a dinner that suffered much much worse.

I don’t think my potatoes or veg suffered that much tbh.

So you do think it’s acceptable to chase terrify and possibly injure a horse a prey animal who has no concept of the principle of trespassing but unacceptable to chase and kill a fox with hounds.
Unbelievable (and illegal by the way).

Lots of things were acceptable once that would upset ppl now @Tempnamechng . For example a young lad I knew in the 80s once went out 'hunt sabbing'. He was just tagging along with his vegetarian girlfriend really. It was a whole new world to him, being a suburban kid - the pink jackets , stirrup cups and bugles. It all looked like a film set.

He was thinking : ' these people still exist !' The whole tableau made him smile . But not for long as a passing horse woman suddenly smashed him across the face with her riding crop. Blood everywhere of course. There was a policeman standing by , apparently quite unconcerned until the livid girlfriend screamed at him to do something.

Whereupon he ambled over to the woman almost apologetically and mumbled ' less of that young lady '.
Here endeth the first lesson as he later put it ' They still exist and they still run the fucking country.'

I fox hunted as a child, it was just a country ride, you don't near the fox unless you are a member of the hunt. No choice when you are a child from a farming family

It’s a big social/ charity thing in some places

some people have no issue with it

you do op. Thats ok.

personally i think the sabs loose the moral high ground when they injure horses or threaten violence at a social gathering

OP not been back? Well blow me!

If you are vegan yanbu
if you eat meat or dairy then yabvu

There is no justification for the torture of animals under the guise of sport or enjoyment.

Thankfully the law agrees.

What's the point of hunting? I don't get it because the foxes don't get eaten so why do people do it? Is it for their fur?

If its an experienced farmer it should be. I'm not sure we want inexperienced people brandishing guns do we.

It's infinitely preferable to terrorising a petrified animal for hours.

No because they're not a sociopath. To actually get pleasure out of it and do it for sport is sadistic.

If foxes need culling then so be it, but if you actually get pleasure in watching one ripped to pieces, and see it as sport, then you're a sick bastard who should have no place in society.

It was, when hunting live quarry was legal, a trophy hunt - which is no better than trophy hunting any other animal.

Under present laws, the point is to follow a pack of working hounds who in theory are meant to be following a pre-laid scent trail. However, live foxes or other wildlife will cross that trail, hounds can pick that scent up, and then would be chasing live quarry.

Anyone who hunts animals for sport and fun is a sick, evil bastard.

I have lots of horsey friends and grew up being part of the local Pony Club. It was very normal for families to take children hunting when I was a child. My parents didn’t ride so I didn’t get to go and I remember wishing I could go because to me, it was a cross country ride with friends. Then I grew older and realised what hunting actually entailed.

Just sitting here sniggering at all the 'meat is humane' responses.

I'm vegan. Objectively both eating meat and hunting are cruel.

However, I've a lot more time for the farming community, who understand what farm animals go through and just extend their animal cruelty to protect their livelihood, than those who insist eating meat is lovely and humane and hunting cruel. Hunting is really just an outward expression of humans feelings that animals are there to do whatever they want with, and at least it's more honest than hiding behind 'humane' and 'i only eat organic' (1% of UK meat is organic but no one ever admits to eating anything but. The numbers don't add up)

All I can say op and others, now you know how it feels to be a vegan at Christmas lunch and the next time you accuse one of being preachy I want you to take a long hard look at yourself. I know you won't because bacon is more important to you than an intelligent beings life being taken, but then that's where it is no different than the hunt.

Absolute hypocrites.

Foxes are pathological killers who do indeed kill for fun. Also, they cause a problem with farm animals and need culling. Shooting is not humane for it can leave an animal wounded to die of starvation or gangrene - a horrible death. Gassing kills everything else underground, not just foxes.Though not perfect hunting is more humane in that the animal dies at once when it is caught. Think of snares, a slow death, or various sorts of other, happily now illegal, traps. We live in a world which includes hunters and prey. Top predators generally have no hunters, but others do, in a heirarchy of killing called an eco-system. If we are to protect those we keep in our care, such as chickens, lambs etc. then we must kill their predators, foxes and crows (crows will put out the eyes of lambs and pull out their tongues, leaving them to die slowly). Nature is not lovely and we are part of it. So we hunt as humanely as we can.
As to dolphins raping or dogs shitting in gardens, the first we condemn rightly in humanity (and dolphins, I suppose) but in extremis, on the run, fleeing war and rape I suspect we would all shit in a field if we had to. We don't all jump up and rape our enemies...and we do not all pathologically kill. Foxes do. We do not emulate them, but eliminate them as best we can.

The fur isn't much use when it's been torn to shreds...

Fun fact - I used to work in a restaurant that some of one of the local hunts would meet at for dinner & they were absolutely horrendous. Every single year, just bloody awful. The men were grabby & sexist, all just phenomenally rude & entitled. They spent a lot of money but in the end the owner refused their return because it was goddamn intolerable for the staff. They weren't local themselves, they travelled down for it.

Just wanted all you pro-hunt types to know what you are like to deal with. Thinking your the majority group in the countryside is hilarious, just so unfathomably & obnoxiously removed from reality 🤷🏼‍♀️

So you met some obnoxious yobs and think all people who hunt are the same? I don't hunt but I am against the anti-hunt brigade because mostly they are ignorant of what hunting is, and what it is for. They also tend to be arrogant and paint all pro-hunt people as entitled and obnoxious. We aren't. Some may be. Not all. I would say the same of anti-hunter too, they also are not all arrogant and ignorant, but a lot are.

They probably get it from people who have chickens and have to shut them away at night or come out in the morning to find them all killed but none of them taken away to be eaten. The chickens aren’t a threat to a fox.

No foxes do not kill for fun - that is reserved for human beings.