To think that 'some' of the Welsh players were down right ignorant yesterday!

[mosschops30]

I went to watch the match at the millenium stadium with my (welsh) dh. It was amazing and I really wanted Wales to win, it was a fantastic day with great atmosphere.

However when we watched the tv coverage I noticed that half of the team didnt even acknowledge Prince William let alone shake his hand (although team captain and all round nice bloke Ryan Jones did twice ).

Now I know the welsh will say prince william shouldnt be there, but thats the way its working and even though I dont like the Royals myself, i think he's the best of a bad bunch. And if I had to be presented something by one of them I certainly wouldnt turn the other cheek because I have some manners.

I felt embarrassed by their ignorance, it was shameful. I get loads of abuse for being english living here and my general opinion of wales isnt great but this just reinforced the fact that some welsh people continue to be ignorant bigots where the english are concerned

I think she was joking moondog

moondog - was that aimed at my post? because I do know that Welsh people speak English (as do Scots ) I was making reference to the fact that many posters seem to be under the impression that Welsh people only speak Welsh in the company of non-Welsh speakers, and don't speak English

I just can't get my head around the fact that some people seriously believe that,I really and truly can't.

But some people seriously believe that all Scots hate the English, but it's not true. However, trying to tell some people otherwise, well they just won't listen.
Like I said, I've had some great drinking sessions with Welsh people

I went to uni in Edinburgh, based purely on the fact that in 1985, Scotland was the only place in UK where pubs were open all day.

Mosschops... have you actually watched the footage?

I like this joke.

^A farmer was out on his Welsh hillside tending his flock one day, when he saw a man drinking with a cupped hand from the stream which ran down from one of his fields. Realising the danger he shouted over to the man, "Paid a yfed y dwr! Mae'n ych-y-fi!" (Don't drink the water. It's poisoned!)

The man at the stream lifted his head and put a cupped hand to his ear shrugged his shoulders at the farmer, and carried on drinking.

Realising the man at the stream couldn't hear him, the farmer moved closer and again yelled, "Paid a yfed! Dwr ych-y-fi! Defaid yn cachu yn y dwr!"(Don't drink. Water's poisoned. Sheep crap in the water.)

Still the man couldn't hear the farmer.

Finally the farmer walked right up to the man at the stream and once again said, "Dwr yn ych-y-fi! Paid a'i yfed!" (Water's poisoned. Don't drink it!)

"I'm dreadfully sorry, my good man, I couldn't understand a word you said. Can't you speak English?" said the man at the stream in a extremely fine British accent.

"Oh I see..." said the farmer. "I was just saying, if you use both hands you can get plenty more in."

^

I can laugh about it, not because I think it's true that Welsh people would do that, but because it aknowledges there is a real belief out there that they do!

That is the kind of thing I say to tourists here in Snowdonia of course.

the translation of "ych a fi" as "poisoned" made me laugh! Is my welsh that bad or have I mistakenly been translating it as "yucky" all these years...

it is Yucky really. I think that perhaps the concept of 'Ych a fi' is just too difficult to properly translate into English. Like 'Hiraeth'

Yes,that's about it.
I was about 8 before I realised it wasn't English.Said it to a load of Aussie kids in school who were completely mystified.

yes I had a few attempts at it before i came up with yucky! And that didn;t sound quite right. I think longing/homesickness captures hiraeth reasonably well - Its "hwyl" that has always stumped me.

It's like Irish craic surely?
In other words,weak excuse for serious piss artistry.

I think Llanelli was the capital of wenglish when I was growing up. Really wasn't uncommon for someone to ask "how's your hwyl today?"

no no no hwyl is a much more serious word - I think it technically means "religious fervour" doesn't it?

Maybe down South.
Not up this end.
Will enquire amongst linguistic authorities tomorrow.

I don't know if the Welsh contingent will find this as funny as I did, but I heard Gyles Brandreth (who is actually a surprisingly funny chap) on Clive Anderson's chatroom on R2 last Saturday claiming Anglo-Welsh parentage and saying that his parents burnt down their own cottage

All those seasenachas have gone to bed. Only the rock hard celts still up.
perhpas?

tis true

at WendyWeber.

hwyl I have always understood to have an element of swelling pride/kinship/community to it.
I may have this completely wrong.

That is so silly (not you lot, the actions that inspired the OP). I'm Welsh, and like most Welsh people I know, I don't hate the English. If I met Prince William I would shake his hand, it is common courtesy FFS. Harry on the other hand, if I was 10 years younger...
Why do silly boys insist on making the Welsh look bitter about ancient history. Oh, and I laughed at the burning down of their own cottage.

lol at Gyles (yes he is quite funny).
My paretns house (father an ardent nationalist) was once daubed by activists.