To think that 'some' of the Welsh players were down right ignorant yesterday!

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I went to watch the match at the millenium stadium with my (welsh) dh. It was amazing and I really wanted Wales to win, it was a fantastic day with great atmosphere.

However when we watched the tv coverage I noticed that half of the team didnt even acknowledge Prince William let alone shake his hand (although team captain and all round nice bloke Ryan Jones did twice ).

Now I know the welsh will say prince william shouldnt be there, but thats the way its working and even though I dont like the Royals myself, i think he's the best of a bad bunch. And if I had to be presented something by one of them I certainly wouldnt turn the other cheek because I have some manners.

I felt embarrassed by their ignorance, it was shameful. I get loads of abuse for being english living here and my general opinion of wales isnt great but this just reinforced the fact that some welsh people continue to be ignorant bigots where the english are concerned

If I said that about Asians or Africans I'd be classed as a racist. What you say is shocking I'm afraid.

I think this might have had something to do with Prince Charles...[http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/wales-news/tm_headline=-stop-using--my-three-feathers -&method=full&objectid=18695820&siteid=50082-name_page.html here]]

otoh, it could just have been that some players were so excited about the win, they just forgot

-&method=full&objectid=18695820&siteid=50082-name_page.html here

They are Despised????? You are abhorrent Musicgirl.

try this

I'm Irish, don't despise the English, love to hear people talking in their various languages, even if I don't understand a word of it and was really disappointed to see Ireland lose at the rugby yesterday.

runnyhabbit - I think that's very likely to be the reason. Not ignorance, political. And what a shame the English media doesn't give the issue more coverage.

I am sooooooo furious Music Girl. you don't understand why the english go and live in other countries when they are despised, do you have any idea about the magnitude of your statements.

What if i started a thread saying Australians were not welcome here and the should know that.

my scottish dh and welsh bf must really 'despise' little ol' english me, then

and your not welcome everywhere, because you are certainly not welcome in my house

It was all over the Welsh media when the news broke.

Quite frankly, if PC wants to go down that route, then he can keep the three feathers! We've got plenty of other symbols to use.

You have a Scottish Husband and a Welsh Boyfriend? Well done Luminar, well done!!!!

lol fairyfly

(fwiw, I'm English, dh is Welsh and the ds's are Welsh. And we live in Wales)

That article is very interesting. Thanks for posting it. Musicgirl has gone a bit flat. I really thought Australians were more tolerant and broadminded but then I try to see the good in people. Can I have a list of where I'm not welcome so I don't offend

As for three feathers, i am afraid to tell you that it is just the opinion of one man called charles who happened to be born into regality, i realy don't think anyone gives a shit and it will carry on ( three feathers that is)

I am English, married to a Scot, we live in Wales and my husband makes his living playing Irish music. In all my life I have never met anyone of any nationality with the rude and ignorant perspective of musicgirl. Thank goodness.

Tbh, I'd always thought the three feathers were a take on the fleur-de-lys, just a fluffier version . If PC uses the symbol because he is the Prince of Wales, then presumably the symbol is Welsh. Seems silly to try and lay personal claim to it.

Despite this, I still think it was rude to ignore PW.

And musicgirl, if you are representative of your compatriots, I would imagine that Australians will pretty soon be fairly unwelcome just about everywhere.

Woah there people.... EVERYONE who says 'whenever I go to Wales they all started talking Welsh when I was around' is an idiot.

A very small minority of people ARE rude, Welsh or English but as an English born person who has lived in Wales since she was seven and who has an O lever in Welsh I can honestly say that NEVER have I seen a Welsh person do this. I am not saying it DOESN'T happen, but just suggesting that perhaps those people who think this is happening every single time are just displaying a HUGE chip on their shoulder.

Lots of people in Wales speak Welsh, Many of them as their FIRST language. I have Welsh speaking freinds who often struggle to find the right English Word when talking to me, because they are trying to speak in a language (English) which is not naturally theirs.

The ignorant comments I hear from English people about the Welsh talking about them in Welsh behind their backs, or changing from one language to another really piss me off because in the main it is absolutely not true. When you walk into a shop in Wales and the staff are speaking Welsh it is not because they have seen you come in and have changed language, it is because that is the language they speak to eachother.
You wouldn't complain about the French talking French in shops in France would you!!

sorry - needed to rant because this really gets on my tits!

Well said beaniesteve!

(I've lived here since I was 3, and really really, wished I could speak Welsh fluently. Hopefully will start learning it properly when Ds1 goes to a welsh language school)

what can i say fairyfly, i'm a weaver!

pretty sure the brains pub near us uses the three feathers as well, guessing they've been asked to lose it as well

I'm always puzzled by this extraordinary idea some people have that Welsh-speakers in shops use English all day but the SECOND an English speaker walks in, switch to Welsh.

How on earth would you know what people were speaking before you arrived? And why on earth would native speakers of Welsh, who are in Wales going about their ordinary business, be talking English amongst themselves?

I wonder if these critics object to French people speaking French in France, or Italians speaking Italian etc. etc. etc....

pmsl at an Australian telling english people to stay in england

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR....

Oh and - despite being born in England I very firmly consider myself Welsh as I didn't live in England beyond the age of six months before moving to Ireland and then to Wales.

I lived in very Welsh Wales when houses were being burned down by the Welsh nationalists so I know that there are some Welsh people who have highly political views about the English in Wales... but Where I lived I had the opportunity to learn Welsh and I am grateful.

As far as Prince William goes, maybe it was just something as simple as the fact that he is known as the Prince of Wales yet supports England? The title is a stupid one and sporting rivalries run deep.

Doubt it lumninar i really do, but if they had i am sure you could go in and explain they shouldn't and they wouldn't.