To think people don't care about covid anymore?

[MumofLandD]

That really. Quick straw poll on that.
DS (13) tested positive this morning after I had a very faint positive this morning. I tested because I had a sore throat all night and 6 days til Christmas I wanted to check. We have Xmas dinner at the ex's families planned and 3 others going are vulnerable.
I also test when feeling unwell as I am a front line health care worker and work with cancer patients and other vulnerable people. Although my hospitals policy is if you test positive and feel well enough to come to work then you are allowed to work, I morally disagree with this.
I co parent with ex partner, he is due to have DS tomorrow for the rest of the week and he thinks DS can go to school tomorrow if he feels better whereas I disagree. DS's best friend is spending Xmas with his 90 year old grandmother and I would hate for him to pass it on to her. Plus who else will he come in contact with at school who have plans like that? Ex partner is of the opinion that vunerable people are fine if they are vaccinated but I don't believe so. Not sure if I am still traumatised by the sights I saw in the first wave.
Interestingly when I asked XP if he was happy for our son to sit next to his mother at the table, if he was still positive, who is vulnerable but vaccinated he said no. 🙄

I am very fortunate and must have a good immune system as I rarely get poorly and if I do I am able to carry on and get better really quickly.

But covid was absolutely awful and I’ve never felt anything like it.

Even months later I don’t feel like I used to, even though I am technically better.

I take covid seriously because for some people it can be very bad.

With research from Canada, America and China showing the risk of serious long covid increases with each reinfection, there will come a day when a lot of people will regret every time they caught Covid. Sorry to be a downer but the evidence is overwhelming now.

I find it a sad reflection of today’s times that it seems to be the general consensus that “ if the elderly or those with compromised immune systems die, that’s just life really…”.

Yep, it's a Boris Johnson attitude!

It's not a binary. People are considering in the context of all the other risks they take, and the consequences of self-isolation.

I'm not acting the martyr. You said "We were all able to stay at home and be more cautious when the government supported us as individuals" and I am correctly you. I am fully aware many people still people faced during lock down.
Posted to gauge opinions. Thanks

YABU. We have to live with illness. Those who are vulnerable should protect themselves

But how can you protect yourself if you have someone with covid knowingly coughing all over you? That's my main point I guess. I understand people have to go to work and continue to live and earn. I wouldn't completely isolate but would wear a mask and avoid going to unnecessary places if I was positive.
Just wondering if other people even bother anymore? Some.do some don't I guess

You're right, I don't care about covid and have never cared. Also, I have snoozed the covid topic, so YABU to not post this there!

I am a front line health care worker and work with cancer patients

I would say people around me mostly don't really care about it anymore however my mum has cancer and is going through chemo. She has to be very careful about catching anything (even a cold) and gets tested regularly by the hospital.
So I think it's terrible that if you test positive even when feeling well you are still able to be around cancer patients but if she tests positive she wouldn't get her treatment until she's clear

I've noticed that there are tests appearing in the shops again....

I added a link to an article which explains that yes, the vaccination has worn off now. So this is the reason people are 'floored' by it.

I'm guessing you are an eminent virologist though, and maybe know more than the virologists quoted in the article which you obviously read closely.

Thank you being responsible with your job even though the guidance is that HCPs can go onto wards full of vulnerable patients because the NHS is on its arse and they cant get enough staff! I personally just try and limit going out if I feel like arse with anything, and then practice good hygiene if I have a mild cold just as it doesn't take much longer to not be disgusting and gross and wash hands, use a tissue etc.

Why are you testing for? Of course there will be winter viruses about which are very similar to Covid. Stop testing

I think if you read my original post you will get your answer

I did not say there is a REQUIREMENT to isolate, it is ADVISED to isolate.

you are spreading false information by saying the guidance is to carry on as normal if you do not have a temp.

I added a link to an article which explains that yes, the vaccination has worn off now. So this is the reason people are 'floored' by it.

We were in lockdown in 2020 because the health system could not cope with the impact. Care to explain why that's not the case now?

All you need is a functioning brain to figure out that no, the vaccines have not 'worn off'.

No it's not.

Advice is that if you have symptoms of a respiratory illness and feel too unwell to go about your normal activities, you should avoid contact with others for 5 days. That isn't the same as isolating. There is no requirement for anyone to test and if you have cold symptoms or COVID symptoms and feel well enough to go about your usual activities, it is fine to do so.

COVID will always divide people but we are living with it now, like it or not, and people who choose to follow the guidance as above are completely within their rights.

Why do people keep saying that covid is ruining everyone's immune systems? It may well be the case for SOME people. But not everyone. I had covid once in 2021. Have not been ill since. With anything. Not even a sniffle. My immune system is perfectly fine. Unlike after I had swine flu is 2009 and I was hospitalised and took months to recover.

Everyone needs to go and Google "awful virus mumsnet 2016" (or similar wording and any year before 2020) and you will see the amount of threads that if you read them now everyone would be shouting covid or its all covids fault!

Like this one. People talking about how bad they feel. How long they take to recover. How they keep getting illnesses over and over.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/general_health/2864675-At-my-wits-end-with-never-ending-virus-Has-anyone-else-gone-through-this?flipped=1&page=1

I still test if I feel it’s necessary. My mum has cancer and my SIL has a newborn. The thought of passing anything on to either of them even though they’d more than likely be fine is worth the cost of the test imo.
I’ve only caught it myself once and that was when I was 8 weeks pregnant. It was a blessing in disguise - the loss of taste and smell got rid of my morning sickness for two weeks!!! 😂

So you still haven't read the article? The article explains it. It's why I added a link to it in my post. You are getting very cross about an article you haven't even read, and arguing against the conclusions of an article you haven't even read.

It says that the vaccines have worn off, immunity doesn't last from either infection or vaccination. The vaccines didn't ever stop people getting or passing on Covid, but they did in the main stop people being floored by it.

It goes on to say that the only part of the vaccine that is remembered in our bodies is the part that leads to death. So on the whole the vaccination still stops death, but not being severely ill.

I have paraphrased but the article is very easy to read and obviously better than me.

I did. I might draw your attention to this bit

But this does not mean you are more likely to become critically ill or need hospital treatment.
A different part of our immune system - called T-cells - kick in once an infection is already under way and they have been trained by past infections and vaccines.
T-cells are less easily befuddled by mutating viruses as they spot cells that have been infected with Covid and kill them.

Schroedinger's cat is out the box and has COVID so now you know you have to act on it.

Many people aren't testing and can stagger on like it's 2019.

Not necessarily. I'm not qualified to comment on whether or not vaccines have worn off, but there could be other reasons why fatality rates are down.

For instance, those high death rates in 2020 might indicate that a lot of vulnerable (to COVID) people died. So there's less vulnerable people around now.

While vaccine protection could have worn off for the general population, vulnerable people are still being boosted, so maybe they've got good protection but no one else does.

Treatment is probably better now. I may be misremembering but I think at one point people with COVID were being intubated and it later emerged that it wasn't necessary, at least in all cases, and might be been actively unhelpful?

Vaccine protection could have faded while natural immunity is still providing some protection (though given almost everyone I know has had COVID at least twice, I'm not sure this is all that plausible - but then again, most of those people I know were vaccinated!)

I repeat that I have no idea whether the original claim is true. I'm just saying that the deaths data doesn't necessarily invalidate it.

I don't care about covid anymore than I do about flu or norovirus.

We don't test.

Both my kids are off school just now. They might have covid or they might just have a nasty cold or virus. How we respond to it doesn't change. If I (or my family) are feeling unwell we stay at home. If we feel well we carry on.

I got my latest covid vaccination and flu jags earlier this week and my kids had their flu vaccinations.

But otherwise we crack on.

Not necessarily. I'm not qualified to comment on whether or not vaccines have worn off, but there could be other reasons why fatality rates are down.

See the extract from the article I posted above. T cell immunity is still strong.