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About "adult babies" and "littles"

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HappyAsAGrownup · 06/12/2023 17:11

I've recently found out someone I know well has been attending events for people who identify as "littles" - ie adults who roleplay being babies, toddlers, or children up to and including teenagers. Apparently activities include crafts and colouring, being read popular children's books at 'story time' amongst others.

This is not something I know much about although I'm familiar with adult kinks and fetishes, and while most of that stuff is just not for me, I tend to think that what people do in private is their business as long as it's consensual and doesn't hurt anyone.

But this adult baby and "littles" stuff is giving me the ick, especially as some of these events are part of much bigger bdsm/ fetish party events where the wider focus is on sexual and erotic themes. I'm thinking even if the 'regular' participants aren't actually having sex, their activities are somewhat sex-adjacent, and I'm really confused about people roleplaying as children being in this environment.

I thought I'd try and educate myself a bit (in case I'd got it horribly wrong, and so I could form a more informed opinion) but the blogs and websites i found (a lot of the resources appeared to be on closed forums which I didn't wish to join) have continued to make me feel uneasy about people roleplaying as children doing so in a sexually focussed environment.

YABU - stop clutching your pearls, adults in giant onesies and custom giant reusable nappies are fine in a bdsm/ fetish club

YANBU - this is weird AF

NB this person does not have any contact with any actual children in my life ever, nor indeed any children at all on a day-to-day basis AFAIK

OP posts:
TheCheerfulNihilist · 06/12/2023 23:50

Please, this shit is everywhere.

Are we speaking specifically just about the content of the OP's post or the broader societal adoption of this (and similar) nonsense designed to breakdown people's initial and sensible responses?

What is the age checking on the attendance at the club the OP references like? How is consent monitored? Is anything placed online? How is access to that content monitored?

Or is it all too hard? Things allowed to slip? And it doesn't really matter anyway because it is all harmless pretending?

It is EVERYWHERE. On another thread a book involving men wearing fetish gear is being read to toddlers on a children's TV channel and a poster is arguing this is just fine and dandy. Come on. Wake up to yourself and look around at society.

MilitantMommyBFArmy4Life · 06/12/2023 23:52

XenoBitch · 06/12/2023 21:59

I know someone who is into the whole adult baby thing. He sees a lady who has part of her house set up as an upscaled nursery (so giant cot, adult nappies, giant potties etc), and he spends time there being treated like a baby. Nothing sexual happens.
It fills some unmet need in him. I don't see it as harmful at all.

How do you know?!?! You don't even need a partner to do sexual things so it is not dependent on having other interested parties

NotTerfNorCis · 06/12/2023 23:56

Ugh. First reaction: this is grim.

If it's not sexual, and it's kept private, I suppose it's alright. Still grim though.

GodDammitCecil · 07/12/2023 00:24

Wotwotwotwotwot · 06/12/2023 22:07

There's nothing sexually appealing about children or childhood.

Except for the vast number of fuck-ups who do find that sexually appealing….? And are grooming society into #beingkind and not shaming them for it?

bethepeace · 07/12/2023 18:09

Safeguarding is everybody's fucking 'lane' and I'm absolutely judging this kink. Disgusting!

bethepeace · 07/12/2023 18:11

And why are we indulging people's so called kinks when they clearly urgently need extensive therapy?

InefficientProcess · 07/12/2023 19:31

that is a very good question @bethepeace.

At what point did we decide that kinks were a replacement for therapy?

SecretVictoria · 07/12/2023 19:42

AgathaAllAlong · 06/12/2023 19:22

I've not read most of the comments because I find this stuff too awful and repulsive to think about. but I do want to say to all those people saying "oh no I better stop using the term littles" - no!!! It's a normal word for a child that is why they've chosen it. We should not stop using language the normal way to indulge a fetish. Just as we shouldn't stop using the word "woman" just because some people use it incorrectly.

I think that these kinks should be shamed too. There's a weird prioritisation of sexual preferences in today's society. Just because something is a sexual preference doesn't mean it's automatically good. Some of people's urges and desires are bad. If someone has a fetish for strangling women that's something that speaks ill of them as a person.

I am glad you said this as someone I know uses “littles” to refer to her DC (even though they aren’t that little now)! I saw this and thought she’d been mistakenly using a term that meant something entirely different.

bethepeace · 07/12/2023 22:38

InefficientProcess · 07/12/2023 19:31

that is a very good question @bethepeace.

At what point did we decide that kinks were a replacement for therapy?

I've been thinking about this since I wrote it earlier - I feel like it's a deeper issue than I realised when I made an off the top of my head comment.

I wonder if it's this - there was time when homosexuality was wrongly regarded as an illness needing therapy... and that was just so wrong, conversion therapy for gay people is awful... but now that all sorts of kinks and identities have been lumped in with actual sexual orientation (got to be kind to them all right?) perhaps all of them are collectively seen as somehow beyond therapy? ... And actually the darker side of this is designating sexual desire for children as an orientation too and therefore putting that outside the bounds of a mental health issue and outside the bounds of therapeutic intervention??

Whereas actually this particular kind of 'kink' being discussed here is coming from a very disturbed or damaged person who needs their sexuality addressed therapeutically in some way ideally before it possibly becomes abusive?

If I was gay I'd be furious that various kinks and fetishes etc. had somehow been lumped in with innate sexual orientation and my pride marches! And that the struggle for gay rights had been mixed up with 'rights' for people to act out grim and possibly abusive fantasies.

GodDammitCecil · 07/12/2023 23:17

If I was gay I'd be furious that various kinks and fetishes etc. had somehow been lumped in with innate sexual orientation and my pride marches! And that the struggle for gay rights had been mixed up with 'rights' for people to act out grim and possibly abusive fantasies.

Exactly this.

In the same way that shitty behaviour - especially in sub-standard men - is always suggested as being down to a neurodiversity.

Pretty offensive.

Cabinsarebins · 08/12/2023 00:00

Anyone who finds babies or children sexually arousing is a nonce. The end.

bombastix · 08/12/2023 00:06

Why take the risk with people like this? They are testing your boundaries with their conduct. I would disassociate myself from them.

Guesswho88 · 08/12/2023 17:30

2Rebecca · 06/12/2023 20:17

No. No desire to normalise this. Some people are screwed up. I tend not to socialise with adult baby fetich creeps

Exactly. It is degeneracy at the end of the day.

And wtf @Floogal

ThaTrìCaitAgam · 08/12/2023 17:35

I’ve seen an adult man walking around as a baby (including nappies and pacifier) in Amsterdam. I thought it was weird. (You can find him online as well)

Newsenmum · 08/12/2023 17:40

For those of you who think it’s ok, what is your view on drawings and cartoons of child abuse? Is that ok? Another example of paedophilia but not hurting real life children. Would you be ok with a man who enjoyed that?

Waitingfordoggo · 08/12/2023 17:41

Someone shared or linked recently on here to a photo of a man probably in his 60s in a shopping centre in the UK in the daytime. He was dressed as a baby/little girl- he had a sort of Little Bo Peep dress on, a nappy and a bonnet. He was guzzling from a baby’s bottle and had accompanied the photo (which he’d shared online somewhere) with text about being shamed/humiliated/being a naughty girl/saying that he was drinking ‘Daddy’s C*m’ from the bottle. Fucking disgusting. Publicly indulging in a fetish, making bystanders participants without their consent. Definitely someone whose hard drive needs looking at.

Newsenmum · 08/12/2023 17:41

ThaTrìCaitAgam · 08/12/2023 17:35

I’ve seen an adult man walking around as a baby (including nappies and pacifier) in Amsterdam. I thought it was weird. (You can find him online as well)

As long as no one is turned on by it and having sex with him in that state, I’m not too bothered.

Newsenmum · 08/12/2023 17:42

Waitingfordoggo · 08/12/2023 17:41

Someone shared or linked recently on here to a photo of a man probably in his 60s in a shopping centre in the UK in the daytime. He was dressed as a baby/little girl- he had a sort of Little Bo Peep dress on, a nappy and a bonnet. He was guzzling from a baby’s bottle and had accompanied the photo (which he’d shared online somewhere) with text about being shamed/humiliated/being a naughty girl/saying that he was drinking ‘Daddy’s C*m’ from the bottle. Fucking disgusting. Publicly indulging in a fetish, making bystanders participants without their consent. Definitely someone whose hard drive needs looking at.

And apparently this is ok. 😞 I wonder how many children he’s tried to abuse.

Waitingfordoggo · 08/12/2023 17:45

It’s ok @Newsenmum because kink-shaming is wrong and we’ve all got to be kind and accepting. Or something. 😩

Mummymummy89 · 08/12/2023 17:45

Newsenmum · 08/12/2023 17:40

For those of you who think it’s ok, what is your view on drawings and cartoons of child abuse? Is that ok? Another example of paedophilia but not hurting real life children. Would you be ok with a man who enjoyed that?

I was surprised (and very thankful) to find that possession of this kind of CSA porn is actually illegal, just in the lowest category. Eg anime that has CSA.

Quite right imo. Because it's not ok, it's sick, and creeps who indulge those thoughts will only escalate.

Newsenmum · 08/12/2023 17:48

Mummymummy89 · 08/12/2023 17:45

I was surprised (and very thankful) to find that possession of this kind of CSA porn is actually illegal, just in the lowest category. Eg anime that has CSA.

Quite right imo. Because it's not ok, it's sick, and creeps who indulge those thoughts will only escalate.

It’s legal in some countries (I think Japan but please correct me if I’m wrong - that might have changed!) and was an idea in another country to stop ‘real’ paedophilia. What people don’t get is that if it’s legal, it’ll be more normalised and some guys will ‘give it a go’ and then cartoons aren’t enough.

Newsenmum · 08/12/2023 17:49

Waitingfordoggo · 08/12/2023 17:41

Someone shared or linked recently on here to a photo of a man probably in his 60s in a shopping centre in the UK in the daytime. He was dressed as a baby/little girl- he had a sort of Little Bo Peep dress on, a nappy and a bonnet. He was guzzling from a baby’s bottle and had accompanied the photo (which he’d shared online somewhere) with text about being shamed/humiliated/being a naughty girl/saying that he was drinking ‘Daddy’s C*m’ from the bottle. Fucking disgusting. Publicly indulging in a fetish, making bystanders participants without their consent. Definitely someone whose hard drive needs looking at.

So he’s sexualising a child. Is this illegal?
some people on here think that’s ok somehow.

VaddaABeetch · 08/12/2023 18:06

my kink is kink shaming. Don’t kink shame my kink shaming.

Diamonde · 08/12/2023 18:44

So he’s sexualising a child. Is this illegal?
some people on here think that’s ok somehow.

Any kind of 'little' play or 'baby' play (or whatever) is bizarre and raises eyebrows

but if we're being honest, there is a difference between dressing like a baby (but not having any outright proof that it's a sex thing) -

and someone actually recreating a sex act dressed as an infant

That's fucking disgusting and the fact that it's in public tells you this person has absolute no shame, no boundaries and no clue about acceptable behaviour - certainly watching illegal material

Both are yuck anyway, but the latter is moving into ' you need to be institutionalised immediately and should be arrested' territory

Newsenmum · 08/12/2023 20:19

Diamonde · 08/12/2023 18:44

So he’s sexualising a child. Is this illegal?
some people on here think that’s ok somehow.

Any kind of 'little' play or 'baby' play (or whatever) is bizarre and raises eyebrows

but if we're being honest, there is a difference between dressing like a baby (but not having any outright proof that it's a sex thing) -

and someone actually recreating a sex act dressed as an infant

That's fucking disgusting and the fact that it's in public tells you this person has absolute no shame, no boundaries and no clue about acceptable behaviour - certainly watching illegal material

Both are yuck anyway, but the latter is moving into ' you need to be institutionalised immediately and should be arrested' territory

I completely agree with you and there is a difference. There are some people on this thread who think both are ok.

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