About "adult babies" and "littles"

[HappyAsAGrownup]

I've recently found out someone I know well has been attending events for people who identify as "littles" - ie adults who roleplay being babies, toddlers, or children up to and including teenagers. Apparently activities include crafts and colouring, being read popular children's books at 'story time' amongst others.

This is not something I know much about although I'm familiar with adult kinks and fetishes, and while most of that stuff is just not for me, I tend to think that what people do in private is their business as long as it's consensual and doesn't hurt anyone.

But this adult baby and "littles" stuff is giving me the ick, especially as some of these events are part of much bigger bdsm/ fetish party events where the wider focus is on sexual and erotic themes. I'm thinking even if the 'regular' participants aren't actually having sex, their activities are somewhat sex-adjacent, and I'm really confused about people roleplaying as children being in this environment.

I thought I'd try and educate myself a bit (in case I'd got it horribly wrong, and so I could form a more informed opinion) but the blogs and websites i found (a lot of the resources appeared to be on closed forums which I didn't wish to join) have continued to make me feel uneasy about people roleplaying as children doing so in a sexually focussed environment.

YABU - stop clutching your pearls, adults in giant onesies and custom giant reusable nappies are fine in a bdsm/ fetish club

YANBU - this is weird AF

NB this person does not have any contact with any actual children in my life ever, nor indeed any children at all on a day-to-day basis AFAIK

Not your kink, not your lane

YANBU, it's fucking revolting. I'm old enough not to give a monkeys about being accused of "kink-shaming".

Isn’t the issue the cross over between those who use it as kink and those who are using it as a way to work though some childhood trauma.

Either way not my monkeys or kink not my issue.

Nah that’s rank

Some kinks are shamed because they are shameful.

Yep,weird AF.

Ah shit! I often refer to my kids as “littles” better stop that right now 😂😂

Yanbu. I only know of (no longer friends) one couple who I know who are into this, nappy play and stuff, and the husband of the couple got convicted of possession of a lot of category A child abuse porn. Involving under 2s and under 5s. We only found out when we read it in their area's local paper. If anyone doesn't believe this story I can PM them the news article.

I hardly think it's a stretch to assume that people who are into pretending to be babies/toddlers during sex are more likely to view sexual abuse of babies/toddlers. And vice versa.

It's probably not politically correct to say so and this may get deleted. But I'm a mum and I'd protect kids from these creeps at absolutely all costs and I don't mind risking mumsnet censorship.

Yes I have sometimes referred to children as "littles" too. And I know that words can have all manner of different uses in different contexts, but I probably won't use it again.

I'm very clear this is neither my kink nor my monkeys, I'm just confused about it being in an environment where there is at least some focus on adult sexual activity/ erotic pleasure. I'm trying to understand (if that's possible)

Massive red flag for anyone into that shit. They wear nappies too and enjoy soiling themselves in public.

Absolutely one to be kept private or preferably a private island.

It's fucking weird

It is a paraphilia and trying to push boundaries to normalise paedophilia basically. It is disgusting.

The person you know well who is doing that - well I would be unknowing them the minute I found out about this. They are, in old fashioned parlance, a pervert.

It's basically paedophillia lite, anyone who takes part needs their harddrive checking.

@Mummymummy89 Quite a few of the websites I looked at had extensive sections stressing that it had no links with actual child sexual abuse, which should be reassuring but also made me think there must inevitably be people out there who are far less scrupulous and much more dangerous.

Could this be why Donald trump wears nappies? I assumed he was just incontinent, but no depravity would suprise me with him.

If they’re making it sexual then they’re seeing children as sexual. There is nothing more to it than that. Absolutely grim.

I mean it’s a very close step…. The concern is that it’s sexual. If it wasn’t sexual I’d think they were just reliving a better childhood than they had or going back to simplicity.

absolutely disgusting. just a hairs breadth away from paedophilia.

@Vintagevixen Yes, I agree. I have felt something 'off' about their personality for a while and this has sealed the deal for me. Each to their own and all that, but nope.

I remain deeply, deeply sceptical.

This bloke we knew, he was best friends with my dh's old school friend, had loads on his hard drive. We found out afterwards in the local paper's report on the court case. He'd also "commissioned" some of it himself ie contacted parents and paid them to create it. We are talking abuse of under 2s.

He'd also offered to babysit my dd once when she was under 6mo old and said I only declined because PPD made me irrational. (Thank god I didn't even hesitate).

The kind of creep who views (really young) child abuse porn is more likely to have a nappy fetish than a foot fetish, I don't think that's a stretch.

Ever since we found that out about this guy, my views on sentencing have completely changed. This guy got off with a SHPO and suspended sentence. But I'd genuinely bring back the death penalty for creeps with CSA imagery of under 2s.

I object to the idea that ‘kink shaming’ (I.e. making critical comments about a particular sexual practice) is inherently bad.

the boundaries of what is and is not socially acceptable behaviour - even sexual behaviour - are important points of debate.

Anything should not go - even if among consenting adults. Because the behaviour has wider consequences.

saying ‘not your fetish, not your lane’ just prevents important social discussions around what is acceptable and what should not be acceptable.

Especially as insisting on people’s silence about these things is so often used as an excuse for mainstreaming this stuff. Let’s stop this kind of ‘prude shaming’ (which has the added advantage of insulting anyone who objects to the practice and presenting them as the problem) as a means of normalising sexual fetishes.

This is how we end up with episodes of doctors promoting the furry cause.

Can’t get worked up about it. People do and role play all kinds of things during sex that would be illegal in another entirely different context. Pretending somebody is a baby or a horse or a police officer doesn’t turn them into one.

I started a thread on this and the guy, under an older username. When we were still reeling from the shock. I cba to find it now but I'm sure you could if you searched. (To show I'm not making it up)

@Newsenmum
This is the thing that bothers me. I know people who have been to a 'summer camp' for adults where they did things like crafts and canoeing and sing-songs and playing British Bulldogs and were reliving childhood fun and it all seemed quite wholesome. Doing it in a context of a kink environment seems a lot different.