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Really regretting getting the Covid jab (warning pity party)

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FlemCandango · 29/11/2023 12:27

I had my COVID vaccination on Saturday. I have had all the available boosters since lockdown as I have had some health issues that put me in a "slightly vulnerable to COVID" category.

Went to local chemist had the jab and a charity shop mooch, then came home all fine. 10-12 hours later I start feeling ropey. I know I might be in for a rough night as I have been known to react badly. So I had violent chills, followed by feverishness, crazy fever dreams, headache untouched by paracetamol, couldn't get out of bed for a wee without help, joint pain, nausea, loss of appetite ... This went on for 24 hours. I was still a wreck on Monday, so day off work, Tuesday tired but felt better and felt normal by the evening. I expected to be back at work today.

Then in the middle of the night, chills again I was shivering violently, headache returned plus sore throat and a cough. Most likely an opportunistic virus 🦠 but I am wondering why I put myself through all this🙄

Not sure if the net benefit outweighs the massively inconvenient time off work and feeling like shit-ness of it all.

I will think hard before taking the next booster if offered. I have the flu jab every year - never any issues with that one.

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WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 05/12/2023 17:48

I haven’t bothered with this thread since saying that properly qualified advice about vaccines should be followed.

Note properly qualified: many years of medical training, publicly checkable qualification and specialism should be preferred to randoms on the internet telling tales of their and others’ assumptions about vaccine reaction.

But having read the half-witted anti-vaxx nonsense for several pages I do feel that some straight talking is in order.

MN shouldn’t allow these threads. MN wouldn’t allow calls to expose children or adults to risk from abuse, fire, car accidents, and so on. So why are these ridiculous anti-vaxx threads tolerated? They condone exposure to the risk of very serious infectious disease.

LittleMissSunshiner · 05/12/2023 18:01

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 05/12/2023 17:48

I haven’t bothered with this thread since saying that properly qualified advice about vaccines should be followed.

Note properly qualified: many years of medical training, publicly checkable qualification and specialism should be preferred to randoms on the internet telling tales of their and others’ assumptions about vaccine reaction.

But having read the half-witted anti-vaxx nonsense for several pages I do feel that some straight talking is in order.

MN shouldn’t allow these threads. MN wouldn’t allow calls to expose children or adults to risk from abuse, fire, car accidents, and so on. So why are these ridiculous anti-vaxx threads tolerated? They condone exposure to the risk of very serious infectious disease.

Do you know how many scores of different types of covid jab that all worked differently and had different secret formulas were developed around the world?

In 2022 I started to research and found over different labs around the world making at least 120 various covid jabs that were being given to the local populations.

Here in the UK we were subjected to three or four different options - the AZ jab was quietly withdrawn after it was proven it caused blood clots. So people who had jab 1 & 2 AZ were just told oh you're having Pfzr for 3rd.

These jabs had typically one of four different ways of working - MRNA / de-activated adenovirus from monkeys etc and they bore no relation to one another. Some people had all of one brand, some people had a total mixture, some people went on youtube taking every type of jab they could get from all around the world.

How is any of this madness possibly scientific? I'm not anti-vax, I'm anti-insanity and anti-bad science. No-one was allowed to speak about this or they had their social media accounts taken down. No news channels allowed open debate and discussion. People who said they weren't sure about jabs were called murderers and racists.

Personally I refused all jabs after several friends who worked for the NHS or were carers and got them in priority became very unwell - one had a blood clot in their lower leg and the hospital declared it caused from the jab.

I held off and decided only to take a jab if it was made mandatory which it never was. I've never had covid and I get regularly tested due to hospital appts. I've never once tested positive even when had colds. People I know who are taking the latest jabs this autumn are all getting ill and then getting covid and testing positive. I dunno, that seems very odd to me.

sunglassesonthetable · 05/12/2023 18:09

People I know who are taking the latest jabs this autumn are all getting ill and then getting covid and testing positive. I dunno, that seems very odd to me.m

Um there was a slip up in the formulas, no one noticed and the CV actually makes you get Covid. And all these doctors etc haven't noticed.

You know bad science or something?

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 05/12/2023 18:10

“I’m not anti-vax.. ”

🙄

LittleMissSunshiner · 05/12/2023 18:26

sunglassesonthetable · 05/12/2023 18:09

People I know who are taking the latest jabs this autumn are all getting ill and then getting covid and testing positive. I dunno, that seems very odd to me.m

Um there was a slip up in the formulas, no one noticed and the CV actually makes you get Covid. And all these doctors etc haven't noticed.

You know bad science or something?

Don't know and literally don't care but something doesn't make sense and I won't be taking any covid jabs.

I've taken many a vaccination in my life and am on medical treatments and even waiting on major surgeries. I will continue to take necessary medications and vaccinations with informed consent. There's no way after all the research I did into what jabs were being given around the world by different governments / pharma companies / labs that there is any basis for saying that a person is covered against covid by one particular jab in the UK.

I'm more minded to think the people who say that all the different types of jabs have caused hundreds of different mutations around the world to the point where it's completely unmanageable are speaking sense.

IClaudine · 05/12/2023 18:28

There's no way after all the research I did into what jabs were being given around the world by different governments / pharma companies / labs that there is any basis for saying that a person is covered against covid by one particular jab in the UK

Could you share your research?

I'm more minded to think the people who say that all the different types of jabs have caused hundreds of different mutations around the world to the point where it's completely unmanageable are speaking sense

Can you link to the people who are saying this?

Parker231 · 05/12/2023 18:44

sunglassesonthetable · 05/12/2023 18:09

People I know who are taking the latest jabs this autumn are all getting ill and then getting covid and testing positive. I dunno, that seems very odd to me.m

Um there was a slip up in the formulas, no one noticed and the CV actually makes you get Covid. And all these doctors etc haven't noticed.

You know bad science or something?

The vaccine doesn’t give you Covid.

GreekDogRescue · 05/12/2023 18:50

I’m sorry for all those who were injured and were killed by the vax.
RIP my cousin who died of a heart attack after his.
Also Terry my delivery man for my organic veg, who I’d known for 10 years.
Others, all men in their 50’s, who ‘died suddenly’.
Shame on those without conscience who pushed this and made fun of those who refused to have it.

LittleMissSunshiner · 05/12/2023 18:53

IClaudine · 05/12/2023 18:28

There's no way after all the research I did into what jabs were being given around the world by different governments / pharma companies / labs that there is any basis for saying that a person is covered against covid by one particular jab in the UK

Could you share your research?

I'm more minded to think the people who say that all the different types of jabs have caused hundreds of different mutations around the world to the point where it's completely unmanageable are speaking sense

Can you link to the people who are saying this?

No, it took me months and was a personal project.

If you are curious about what other jabs people in other countries around the world took, what the names of those jabs were, what the labs that produced them were called and which pharma companies sat behind them and who their shareholders or state owners are and who funded their research and development, then you too can do your own research.

There's as many brands of jabs as there are packets of crisps from different manufacturers around the world and they come in all different flavours and styles and work in different ways. The very idea that anyone thinks a jab or six they took in the UK covers them for all the various mutating forms of covid and also did their immune system or body no harm is laughable. People have literally died from covid jabs and AZ was formally withdrawn from use (albeit secretly).

IClaudine · 05/12/2023 19:06

AZ was formally withdrawn from use (albeit secretly)

So "secretly" that there is fairly extensive information for the public about about why it is no longer used, the blood clots issues etc. on the BHF site. There were also debates in Parliament which discussed the issues.

https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/astrazeneca-covid-vaccine#:~:text=While%20the%20Oxford%2FAstraZeneca%20vaccine,side%20effects%20from%20this%20vaccine.

It is very confusing to me (or possibly not) that more than one poster on this thread has said they did their own research which has resulted in information about cover ups or dangers that have been hidden and whatnot. But they never want to share their research the refrain is always "do your own research".

We all know the vaccine carries risks and isn't perfect. The same can be said about the flu vaccine. Some years it is more effective than others. Every year it sadly kills a small number of people.

AstraZeneca Covid vaccine: safety and side effects

The latest updates on the Oxford/Astrazeneca vaccine, including side effects, the risk of blood clots, and why under 40’s are being offered alternative vaccines.

https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/astrazeneca-covid-vaccine#:~:text=While%20the%20Oxford%2FAstraZeneca%20vaccine,side%20effects%20from%20this%20vaccine.

IClaudine · 05/12/2023 19:11

People have literally died from covid jabs

People "literally" die every year from many, many common medicines, including stuff you can buy in the supermarket. No medicine is 100% safe.

socialdilemmawhattodo · 05/12/2023 20:05

BethDuttonsTwin · 29/11/2023 13:20

I don’t understand the certainty here. Doesn’t anyone else remember when the first lot were rolled out and pretty much everyone was ill and had side effects afterwards. I know I did. Every member of of my family did - children less affected though. Almost exactly 12 hours after the jab my temperature shot up and I was ill for about three days and then it disappeared. There were warnings that this might be the case when you went for the jab, handed sheets as you left telling you to be aware that it might happen.

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No. Not round here (South East - in case the vaccination source varied by location). I knew nobody who was ill and had side effects from the 1st round, or any other round. This winter most people seem to have a heavy cold - to be expected, as over the last few winters everyone has either been at home or wearing masks.

Jumpingthruhoops · 05/12/2023 23:16

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 05/12/2023 17:48

I haven’t bothered with this thread since saying that properly qualified advice about vaccines should be followed.

Note properly qualified: many years of medical training, publicly checkable qualification and specialism should be preferred to randoms on the internet telling tales of their and others’ assumptions about vaccine reaction.

But having read the half-witted anti-vaxx nonsense for several pages I do feel that some straight talking is in order.

MN shouldn’t allow these threads. MN wouldn’t allow calls to expose children or adults to risk from abuse, fire, car accidents, and so on. So why are these ridiculous anti-vaxx threads tolerated? They condone exposure to the risk of very serious infectious disease.

MN shouldn’t allow these threads. MN wouldn’t allow calls to expose children or adults to risk from abuse, fire, car accidents, and so on. So why are these ridiculous anti-vaxx threads tolerated? They condone exposure to the risk of very serious infectious disease.

This thread is exploring adverse events/ injuries relating to the Covid vax, and how the suppression of certain opinions/data could have had an impact on people being able to give informed consent.

If forums like MN shouldn't 'allow' these threads, where, in your view, do you advise that these people voice genuine concerns and lived experiences?

CouchCat · 05/12/2023 23:29

@Jumpingthruhoops

You seem to be getting very wrapped up in semantics. 'Moderated', 'silenced', 'censored', 'hidden'... they are all different ways of essentially saying the same thing: that anyone (including experts!) with a different opinion on Covid/the Covid response WAS silenced and such content WAS hidden. Which people on this thread have categorically said was NOT happening. When this confirms it absolutely was. This would include official data on vaccine harms.
We certainly saw a great deal of "different opinion"/psuedoscience during the pandemic. Some of it was taken down as it was dangerous. Sorry if that bothers you. The official data on vaccine harms (are you talking VAERS/Yellow Card?) has always been accessible as far as I'm aware.

Regardless of what they can do as a private company, Twitter had ZERO right, morally, to silence actual medical professionals. Those considering taking the vaccine were/are entitled to all the information, regardless of how unpalatable it might be.
Even if that information is incorrect or dangerous? Even if it is based on incorrect data? Even if that medical professional is a nurse, not a doctor, but has "Dr." in front of his name so his advice sounds more reasonable? Even if those medical professionals are actively profiting from their harmful advice? Twitter removed some posts like this. Not all medical professionals are equal.

So, with all that being said, are you saying you believe expert testimony should be moderated? A simple yes or no will suffice...
Yes. Congress testimony, too 😉

sunglassesonthetable · 05/12/2023 23:29

This thread is exploring adverse events/ injuries relating to the Covid vax, and how the suppression of certain opinions/data could have had an impact on people being able to give informed consent.

Likewise It is also highlighting examples of anti consensus science and inaccurate medical claims. And how this could have an impact on people taking risks with their health.

IVFlife · 06/12/2023 00:11

I don't see this as an anti vax thread. I am pro vaccine. I had 4. And had them very happily.

I had a horrific reaction to 4th. And sustained a neurological injury.

I am still pro vaccine. I am just personally not able to get any again as advised by neurologist.

I don't think it has to be a polarised debate. There are nuances and everyone is different.

spuddel · 07/12/2023 00:08

One in four who had Pfizer Covid jabs experienced unintended immune response

SCIENCE CORRESPONDENT6 December 2023 • 5:17pm
More than a quarter of people injected with mRNA Covid jabs suffered an unintended immune response created by a glitch in the way the vaccine was read by the body, a study has found.
No adverse effects were created by the error, data show, but Cambridge scientists found such vaccines were not perfect and sometimes led to nonsense proteins being made instead of the desired Covid “spike”, which mimics infection and leads to antibody production.
mRNA jabs, such as the ones created by Moderna and Pfizer, use a string of genetic material to tell the body to create a specific protein that safely imitates an infection.
Research in the field, spanning decades, had been slow work. It often stalled because RNA itself is often attacked by the body as a foreign invader.
But in 2023, the Nobel Prize for Medicine went to the pair of scientists who had spent years working to fix the problem. It was done by taking one of the RNA bases, uridine, and swapping in a very similar synthetic alternative.
This breakthrough allowed scientists to create proteins in the body without the immune system attacking the jab.
It allows for quick and precise vaccines that are highly effective and was the backbone of the Covid vaccine response.
Not a perfect fitIt was thought the minor tweak to uridine caused no problems in cells, but a team of researchers at the University of Cambridge’s Medical Research Council (MRC) Toxicology Unit have now found when this partially synthetic code is read, the protein-making machine in the body sometimes struggles with the uridine analogues.
Because it is not a perfect fit for what is expected, there can be a momentary pause which causes the process to stutter and a letter in the code can get skipped, much like a bike slipping a gear.
This process, called frameshifting, throws out the way the code is interpreted as it relies on groups of three bases, known as codons, being read in the right order.
This issue, caused by the jab’s code, throws the process completely out of sync and the entire subsequent code becomes garbled.
In the case of the Covid jabs, the end result is a nonsensical and harmless protein, the team found, which the body attacks and leads to an immune system flare-up. The new study, published in Nature, found this occurred in around 25-30 per cent of people.
Rogue protein fearThe vaccine is read well enough to create the strong protection against the coronavirus, the scientists say, but the frameshifting issue creates what was, until now, an unknown off-target effect.
The code relating to the Covid vaccines was harmless and no issues were created. However the team say that subsequent mRNA vaccines used for other diseases or infections could, in theory, lead to viable proteins being created that are active in the body.
In this scenario not only is the vaccine not making the right protein, it could lead to a rogue protein being produced.
There is no evidence of this occurring in the Covid jabs, the authors stress, and they say any trials on other mRNA therapeutics would detect any such problems in early stages.
Dr James Thaventhiran, senior author of the report, said: “Research has shown beyond doubt that mRNA vaccination against COVID-19 is safe. Billions of doses of the Moderna and Pfizer mRNA vaccines have been safely delivered, saving lives worldwide.”
The authors also found that there is an easy way to eradicate the frameshifting events which relies on changing the code of the mRNA drug to minimise the use of the problematic pseudo-uridine.
Replacing it with a natural base that when read as a trio still makes the correct amino acid is enough to stop the unwanted skips and therefore improve safety without sacrificing efficacy.
These findings were shared with medicines regulator MHRA around a year ago, the scientists say, and updated vaccines that use the improved form of mRNA are in the works for cancer jabs, and other therapeutics.
‘Revolutionary technology’“This technology is amazing and it’s going to be revolutionary as a new medicine platform for all sorts of things, but we’ve just made it a whole lot safer going forward,” Professor Anne Willis, co-senior study author and director of the MRC Toxicology Unit told reporters.
“Ribosomes are somehow sensing the modified RNAs, but the Covid vaccines are very, very safe and very, very efficacious.
“But there are decoding issues with this technology that can cause stalling and frameshifting and we can get cellular immunity to these peptides after vaccination.”
However, she adds it is very exciting that there is a way to fix the issue, which “massively de-risks this platform going forward”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/06/mrna-jabs-modena-pfizer-quarter-unintended-response/

Vaccines

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/vaccines/

Tandora · 07/12/2023 00:29

IClaudine · 05/12/2023 19:06

AZ was formally withdrawn from use (albeit secretly)

So "secretly" that there is fairly extensive information for the public about about why it is no longer used, the blood clots issues etc. on the BHF site. There were also debates in Parliament which discussed the issues.

https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/astrazeneca-covid-vaccine#:~:text=While%20the%20Oxford%2FAstraZeneca%20vaccine,side%20effects%20from%20this%20vaccine.

It is very confusing to me (or possibly not) that more than one poster on this thread has said they did their own research which has resulted in information about cover ups or dangers that have been hidden and whatnot. But they never want to share their research the refrain is always "do your own research".

We all know the vaccine carries risks and isn't perfect. The same can be said about the flu vaccine. Some years it is more effective than others. Every year it sadly kills a small number of people.

Every year it sadly kills a small number of people

the flu vaccine kills a small number of people a year?! Wow I did not know this ☹️

SarahShorty · 07/12/2023 12:00

I remember the fall out from Jade Goody's passing. The HPV vaccine uptake shot right up and I remember young girls died from it. It came as a course of three injections spaced out as one per month. I was only just about within the age bracket to get it. I got all three and don't regret any of them because it's a vaccine in league with the MMR, Polio and the BCG jabs.

GreekDogRescue · 07/12/2023 18:11

It’s interesting that if anyone queried the safe and effective jibby jab 2 years ago, they were banned from Mumsnet.

They even paid that annoying telly doctor with the spikes gelled hair, Amir Khan, to promote it and PrOMiSe that it was safe for pregnant women to take.

Meanwhile unpasteurised cheese poses a DeAdLy risk. Unless you live in France of course.

sunglassesonthetable · 07/12/2023 19:06

*It’s interesting that if anyone queried the safe and effective jibby jab 2 years ago, they were banned from Mumsnet.

They even paid that annoying telly doctor with the spikes gelled hair, Amir Khan, to promote it and PrOMiSe that it was safe for pregnant women to take.

Meanwhile unpasteurised cheese poses a DeAdLy risk. Unless you live in France of course.*

Dear @GreekDogRescue This is word for word almost the same nonsense you posted a few days ago. You still looking for a reaction?

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 07/12/2023 21:18

It’s interesting that you can tell an anti vaxxer by the use of the word ‘jibbyjab’

Anisette · 07/12/2023 21:34

Reminiscent of all those anti-maskers who couldn't refer to masks, they were always nonsense like "face nappies" or similar. I wonder why people can't work out that using childish names devalues their arguments?

IClaudine · 07/12/2023 21:45

Tandora · 07/12/2023 00:29

Every year it sadly kills a small number of people

the flu vaccine kills a small number of people a year?! Wow I did not know this ☹️

I should have said a tiny number rather than small!

www.gov.uk/government/publications/freedom-of-information-responses-from-the-mhra-week-commencing-26-july-2021/freedom-of-information-request-on-deaths-following-influenza-vaccinations-foi-21781