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Nursery painting 2-4 yo nails

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Vanillalatte1 · 24/11/2023 18:10

My 4 year old DS returned from nursery with his nails painted and said it was varnish day at nursery and that the teachers were painting the kids nails. Is this normal? The kids are between 2 - 4 years old. They seem a bit young to me.

OP posts:
YourNameGoesHere · 24/11/2023 21:07

WhenSheWasBadshewasawesome · 24/11/2023 21:05

Ignore op. They love a straw man. Instead of addressing the main concerns of health and safety and what they are actually learning, safeguarding and ratios they'll call you a homophobe.

As I said upthread, the correct way to do this would be to seek permission for anything going on child's skin and have children do it. Which would be perfectly valid, but I imagine most nurseries wouldn't want the admin or risk assessments.

As a pp said, things like sunscreen need explicit permission and usually a personal bottle so the same standards would apply to nails.

Exactly. It's all well and good posters saying they wouldn't mind etc but that's not the point. The point is there's no purpose to them doing it and there are rules settings need to follow and by not asking consent these were obviously not followed.

It's not like doing it at home with your own children.

Ibizabar · 24/11/2023 21:11

Vanillalatte1 · 24/11/2023 21:06

Great come back 👏

I know a wind up when I see one.

Vanillalatte1 · 24/11/2023 21:38

Ibizabar · 24/11/2023 21:11

I know a wind up when I see one.

You're actually just giving me a good laugh 😂

OP posts:
saraclara · 24/11/2023 21:47

My DGD (only just four) loves the kiddy nail varnishes! I don't know why anyone's thinking that the nursery is using the adult stuff. Of course they won't!

I'm not remotely girly and have never worn make up, but my own kids loved the Tinkerbell stuff and tottering around in my shoes when they were little, and DGD is the same. They're just like pretending to be grown up at that age.

I'm honestly stunned that so many people in this thread are annoyed by it. If anything I'd have thought that parents would be more easy going about pretend make up than they were when I was at that stage.

BubbleBubbleBubbleBubblePop · 24/11/2023 22:01

OP, is it childrens nail polish or regular adult polish?

SleepingStandingUp · 24/11/2023 22:26

SouthLondonMum22 · 24/11/2023 19:51

Their penises will fall off, clearly.

Shit. What if it's just felt pen??? I don't want daughters any more. I've come to terms with ending my mitochondrial DNA lineage.

rubiesandgold · 24/11/2023 22:26

I know this is side tracking but...Why are other pps getting so mad at some parents saying they wouldn't like their sons or boys rocking about with nail varnish? If my husband toodled down the stairs with painted finger nails I'd have questions/think it odd/wonder what planet he's on but you daren't suggest you'd be uncomfortable with your son doing the same for some reason...

Parents who love to see their boys wearing skirts, painting their nails, wearing lipstick, playing with dolls, go you!

Parents who would rather not the above, that's ok too!

The judgement is now reversed and you're seen as a terrible person if you'd rather your son not wear nail varnish.

SouthLondonMum22 · 24/11/2023 22:29

rubiesandgold · 24/11/2023 22:26

I know this is side tracking but...Why are other pps getting so mad at some parents saying they wouldn't like their sons or boys rocking about with nail varnish? If my husband toodled down the stairs with painted finger nails I'd have questions/think it odd/wonder what planet he's on but you daren't suggest you'd be uncomfortable with your son doing the same for some reason...

Parents who love to see their boys wearing skirts, painting their nails, wearing lipstick, playing with dolls, go you!

Parents who would rather not the above, that's ok too!

The judgement is now reversed and you're seen as a terrible person if you'd rather your son not wear nail varnish.

Sexism isn't ok though, is it?

SleepingStandingUp · 24/11/2023 22:29

Vanillalatte1 · 24/11/2023 20:17

The problem I have with nail varnish on toddlers is that I find it a bit sexualized for their age. I'm not a prude i just know it makes me feel more attractive when I get mine painted so I'm not sure it's something nurseries should be introducing to our toddlers, boy or girl. I'm happy for them to be coveted in paint and having fun exploring the way toddlers naturally do

I feel more attractive when I wash my face and comb my hair. Thankfully nursery never seem to wash the kids faces so I have no need to worry about the sexualisation of my child. Next time I eye roll at the state of them, I'll remember it's good it's not about being sexy for the other kids or staff.

SleepingStandingUp · 24/11/2023 22:30

WhenSheWasBadshewasawesome · 24/11/2023 20:36

The eyfs is very specific about which areas children need to cover. All children have to meet 'skills' by the end of the phase so, no, teachers don't have time to dick about with make up. That's literally one parents can do if they wish.

And how is sitting still for an adult more fun than doing their own creative task?

If 3 yos only need to be in for 15 hrs according to the Government, then surely that allows plenty of time for dicking about for kids who are school hours or even full days? Obv the 15 hour kids need to keep their nose to the grindstone at 3 so they don't fail at life

Circularargument · 24/11/2023 22:33

Gt86 · 24/11/2023 18:27

@Dacadactyl
In my opinion, boys don't paint their nails, end of.

End of what? Hmm

End of prescriptive gender norm reinforcement, presumably.

So hoping that that poster's son rocks Day-Glo nail polish one of these days, and I don't even wear it myself 😜

SleepingStandingUp · 24/11/2023 22:34

rubiesandgold · 24/11/2023 22:26

I know this is side tracking but...Why are other pps getting so mad at some parents saying they wouldn't like their sons or boys rocking about with nail varnish? If my husband toodled down the stairs with painted finger nails I'd have questions/think it odd/wonder what planet he's on but you daren't suggest you'd be uncomfortable with your son doing the same for some reason...

Parents who love to see their boys wearing skirts, painting their nails, wearing lipstick, playing with dolls, go you!

Parents who would rather not the above, that's ok too!

The judgement is now reversed and you're seen as a terrible person if you'd rather your son not wear nail varnish.

Well DS at 3 does lots of things I wouldn't want DH to do because DH is 47. Surely you don't actually have the same standards for your young child and your grown adult husband? I mean DS, 3, if forever pulling his willy, walking around the house naked, blowing rapsberries on his brother's butt. DH refrains.

Lorie94 · 24/11/2023 22:34

Growlybear83 · 24/11/2023 19:26

I would have been very angry if anyone had painted my daughter's nails at that age. I never slowed any form of makeup until she started secondary school and I find it quite unpleasant to see little children wearing nail varnish and other makeup on their delicate skin.

🥱 very angry is extreme,
It's harmless fun

theduchessofspork · 24/11/2023 22:35

Dacadactyl · 24/11/2023 18:12

No idea whether this is normal or not but I'd be annoyed they did it without my consent!! I wouldn't want my 2-4 year old daughter having her nails painted. Let alone my son.

Why would it matter if it was a son or daughter?

I imagine it’s peel off. It’s just play.

Lorie94 · 24/11/2023 22:37

Vanillalatte1 · 24/11/2023 20:11

My thoughts exactly! Yournamegoeshere
Thank you for your input! I can think of so many different things they could be doing at nursery, painting nails doesn't feel age appropriate. They also have a rail of dresses and high heels for the kids to play with. They uploaded a video of a 3 year old boy trotting around In stilletos with spikes on them. Again, not age appropriate at all.

Oh my goodness,
Dress up play is an issue now ?

It's all imagination play. Kids see it as harmless fun

Lorie94 · 24/11/2023 22:38

Vanillalatte1 · 24/11/2023 20:17

The problem I have with nail varnish on toddlers is that I find it a bit sexualized for their age. I'm not a prude i just know it makes me feel more attractive when I get mine painted so I'm not sure it's something nurseries should be introducing to our toddlers, boy or girl. I'm happy for them to be coveted in paint and having fun exploring the way toddlers naturally do

Sexualised ???
We are in 2023. Your views are actually baffling and you 100% sound like a prude

huuskymam · 24/11/2023 22:39

That happened to my son in playschool. Some of the girls were getting their nails done and he wanted to as well. I was told they couldn't say no as it would be discriminating against him, It didn't bother me in the slightest.

WhenSheWasBadshewasawesome · 24/11/2023 22:39

Look, you may think a child sitting stationary for ten minutes whilst an adult does their nails is a good use of time, but childcare settings have goals and standards they need to meet, not to mention most toddlers would find that dull as hell. It's not a case of fun, versus learning, as you are so keen to frame it, it is a case of there is a way for it to be fun, appropriately risk assessed, parentally informed and developing key skills.

Would you like to engage with any of the above points or are you merely going to continue to posture it as 'right on fun' versus 'boring learning'?

theduchessofspork · 24/11/2023 22:40

rubiesandgold · 24/11/2023 22:26

I know this is side tracking but...Why are other pps getting so mad at some parents saying they wouldn't like their sons or boys rocking about with nail varnish? If my husband toodled down the stairs with painted finger nails I'd have questions/think it odd/wonder what planet he's on but you daren't suggest you'd be uncomfortable with your son doing the same for some reason...

Parents who love to see their boys wearing skirts, painting their nails, wearing lipstick, playing with dolls, go you!

Parents who would rather not the above, that's ok too!

The judgement is now reversed and you're seen as a terrible person if you'd rather your son not wear nail varnish.

Because nail varnish on kids is just play, it’s like face paint or dressing up.

It’s not sexualised or part of the beauty industry like make up and nail varnish on an adult. Not that that means a man shouldn’t wear them, but it’s different from kids play.

Children having fun doesn’t need to be sexualised or stereotyped. Don’t be a weirdo.

theduchessofspork · 24/11/2023 22:42

it is a case of there is a way for it to be fun, appropriately risk assessed, parentally informed and developing key skills.

@WhenSheWasBadshewasawesome

You aren’t selling it

WhenSheWasBadshewasawesome · 24/11/2023 22:46

That's the reality of the nuts and bolts of eyfs. If it was just oh I fancy doing this random unplanned thing anyone could do it.

I mean, I cannot be bothered to explain it anymore but the problem is not the concept it's the execution. But you and others can continue to use it as a virtue signalling exercise.

saraclara · 24/11/2023 22:53

WhenSheWasBadshewasawesome · 24/11/2023 22:39

Look, you may think a child sitting stationary for ten minutes whilst an adult does their nails is a good use of time, but childcare settings have goals and standards they need to meet, not to mention most toddlers would find that dull as hell. It's not a case of fun, versus learning, as you are so keen to frame it, it is a case of there is a way for it to be fun, appropriately risk assessed, parentally informed and developing key skills.

Would you like to engage with any of the above points or are you merely going to continue to posture it as 'right on fun' versus 'boring learning'?

Toddlers love having 'nail varnish' on, and the kiddy stuff takes two minutes, max, to apply. We're not taking carefully applying adult nail varnish to adult nails!

And jeeze, the kids is three. There's room for play in a three year old's nursery experience. I'd be horrified if there wasn't.

Fortunately I've visited lots of nurseries/pre-schools professionally, and know that there's plenty of pretend play and dressing up, and it's actively encouraged.

rubiesandgold · 24/11/2023 22:53

@theduchessofspork thats a ridiculous argument. If that's the case give them a pair of fish nets and a bra to "play dress up in"

WhenSheWasBadshewasawesome · 24/11/2023 22:55

At what point did I say dress up was not ok.
It's about the child playing a passive role in play for an extended time, coupled with the possibility of allergies etc.

Were you visiting as a prospective pupil or something?!

saraclara · 24/11/2023 23:02

WhenSheWasBadshewasawesome · 24/11/2023 22:55

At what point did I say dress up was not ok.
It's about the child playing a passive role in play for an extended time, coupled with the possibility of allergies etc.

Were you visiting as a prospective pupil or something?!

It's not passive for an extended time. As I said, applying my DGD's play nail 'varnish' takes less than two minutes. And she's absolutely absorbed in every second.

And no, as a teacher visiting children who were going to be in my class the following term.

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