To think that net immigration…

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Of 745,000 people a year isn’t what the 17 million people who voted for Brexit in 2016 thought they were voting for?

YABU = Yes, this is what Leave supporters voted for.

YANBI = No, they didn’t vote for this.

Ah, and the goading! All very similar to Clavinova. Are you two related?

You are the one attacking 🤷‍♂️

I’ve posted my view - things will get very tough best to look forward especially for dc

For whatever reason you’ve exploded in a Labour related fury. It’s not my issue 😀

You've posted you "view".

The issues are all caused, or fuelled, but the current government. They are literally paying to worsen the climate crisis, they have caused the majority of the immigration crisis, and they are deliberately underfunding public services causing the social crisis that you are focusing on.

And yet you can only criticise a party that was last in power over 13 years ago. It's not difficult to see what you're up to...

Right, this thread is about LEGAL migration reaching 745k per year under the Tories, its not about climate change war EU attitudes or even right vs left (Given its happening under a right wing Tory Govt)

Yes there will will migration pressures but so far this year, about 34k have come to the UK via dinghies/france vs 745k legal migrants all with visas.

Not quite sure what on earth Holland has to do with UK legal migration policy & only 25% voted for Wilders but Poland voted for a more socialist Govt.

Have you got a link for the source of that graph, please, @Mycatsgoldtooth ?

I recall reading that the number unemployed was approaching 1.5m back in the summer, but that chart seems to show that it's approx double that.

You will be aware that Mr Wilders has won the election on The Netherlands. Because of immigration.

Brexit supporter Priti Patel stated quite openly before the Brexit vote that she wanted thousands of Bangladeshis to be able to come to the UK.

I don't mind at all but I'm not sure a lot of brown people instead of white Europeans is what many people voting for Brexit were intending to happen.

I’m not really getting people like you who lash out over party loyalty over major incoming events tbh

So maybe you’ll move on to focussing on other posters with this kind of raging stuff, it’s a bit extreme for me.

How stupid of me to forget!

My racist SIL and BIL are ex-pats, they ex-patriated themselves to Australia 18 months ago. Also Brexit voters, too.

Wilders won 25% of the seats, he may not even be in Government, let alone "won the election" due to not being able to form a coalition.

You need to engage brain before keyboard next time.

Of course they knew
No-one is that stupid to think we would just shut up shop

Its just a simple fact @EasternStandard The Cons are in power, have been for 13 years and hence as 745k visas have been issued and the Govt thinks thats too many, they are wholly responsible.

Others are probably more annoyed at this figure, it’s not really top of my priorities but if it starts a better conversation on migration generally then fine by me

It seems to be getting there, bar the incoming usual stuff from pp

Things will change pretty quickly, I relate the amount of discord to the start of migration rising so I can only see it increasing

All the Tories have to do is stop handing out visas for family members and that you have to leave after your work/student visa has expired, then the problem is solved.
Also stop students getting work visas from within the UK (and vice versa) or allowed to stay if they get married.

A better question is why they have not done this?

Few if any country allows in family members like we are, changing a visa means you have to re apply from outside the country of your choice.

@EasternStandard I'm not a Tory as you know but yes these issues will be there regardless of whoever is in power. I personally have far more faith though in Yvette Cooper to actually take an objective look at the whole situation than the Tory gvt who seem to have a deep fear of anything with the word Europe/Euro in it. The Dutch situation is very different- I've always felt (having been to the Netherlands many times) that many of their older population and particularly rural population are certainly not liberal - it was the same when we were in Denmark- their voting system means that given they have 26 parties to vote for you do run the risk of your far right party getting a lot of seats but unlikely to be able to form a government- same would have happened with ukip here in those red wall seats I think.

We do have far too much legal migration at the moment - but I think they include the Uni students if I remember correctly- that will be a very big number given that EU students are giving the UK a swerve. The remainder of it they have brought on themselves by the kind of Brexit they did causing lower paid employment gaps - and the lack of good social housing means many lower paid are reluctant to come off benefits for insecure poorly paid jobs and run the risk of losing their insecure private rentals in lots of cases. It's not black and white- it's very grey and I do understand their concerns.

On the other hand you have one of my friends (and I do like her) who can't be arsed to work more than a few hours with 2 primary aged kids because she gets over £750 a month maintanance - which she gets to keep, alongside full benefits (including virtually all her rent as it's social housing) - she would be very little better off working- if at all . The Tory's brought that in because they couldn't get a grip on CMS- personally I think it's ludicrous. And no she isn't hassled much by DWP either.

Are there really those who still believe Labour and the Tories are substantially different?

Yes, because they are.

A better question is: why would international students pay double the fees of local students and come to a country where they can't work after study?

Theresa May tried this. The universties couldn't fund themselves on only British students back then, and they willl have even more trouble now that EU students have gone as well. Jo Johnson walked it back.

Legal migration is one element, it’s not something that overly angers me but on the taking away visas I think Aus has a very good system that gets the skills it needs. They very much depend on o/s students for higher fees for universities too.

On who will deal with migration outside the legal stuff, well I reckon the system as it is won’t cope so we’ll see which country goes first

Yes we do actually need those fees

Personally I blame But Jeremy Corbyn for 25% of the Dutch voting for Wilders.

We could also include the rather odd decision by the UK government to allow millions of HKers to move to the UK if they fancy it.

Aren’t you tired of the Jeremy Corbyn joke yet?

The world has moved on, Labour has moved on, you can move on, too.,