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Too wonder why people shop on temu Shein etc

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HappySunday1 · 20/11/2023 17:32

When we know how bad the environment is how much plastic and stuff ends up in land fill how poor the workers conditions are why are we supporting them. I see so many people doing big hauls of stuff. I know it’s cheap and maybe it’s all people can afford by you buy cheap you buy twice.

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MrsTwiggy · 22/11/2023 09:38

Totally agree @Oliotya - £10 would buy me loads of second hand baby clothes. I know this because I have two under two who are clothed in second hand stuff!! Just had a quick scroll down Sheen's newborn clothing landing page and didn't see anything for under a fiver - mostly seemed to be outfit type stuff as well. Last month I went to a mum-to-mum sale and sorted us out with clothes for the next few sizes they will need. It was 10p per item generally, but 50p for more expensive things like coats or a posh outfit. Charity shops round here tend to do baby items for £1-2.50, though I have had some 50p stuff. Facebook marketplace usually has someone local enough selling a big bundle of stuff for a fiver or a tenner. And then there's vinted as well, though I usually only go for big bundles or bigger ticket items due to the postage. Though judging from what I've just seen on shein, you could definitely buy similar outfits from better quality brands for less money even including postage on vinted.

I'm very poor and since I live in a deprived area, I have lots of mum friends who are similarly poor. None of us would dream of pissing £8.99 away on a naff Shein baby outfit!

Oliotya · 22/11/2023 09:39

Needmorelego · 22/11/2023 09:29

@listsandbudgets to be honest I think that's what a lot of people do. But it does eventually get to a point where the life of that product is over.
My daughter could do with new pillows. Hers are as flat as pancakes and dribble stained. We've had them donkeys years. They've been rotated around every bed and used by every family member to rest their head. @Oliotya what do you suggest I do with these sad specimens of pillows? There's no facilities available to recycle them - so off to landfill they go. Bye pillows. You served us well.

Wash them? Stuff the filling into 1 pillow? Teddy bear stuffing for a crafter? Covers as cleaning rags?
If you genuinely can't reuse then textile recycling. Where do you live that seems to have no recycling facilities?

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 22/11/2023 09:39

Fizbosshoes · 22/11/2023 09:21

My teen DD buys clothes from vinted, depop, boot fairs etc and occassionally urban outfitters or Hollister if she's persuaded me to buy it
She and friends used to like going round the charity shops in our town but now they notice how expensive the charity shops are. It's cheaper to get something new in primark. Sometimes the tesco and primark clothes in the charity shops are priced the same as new
I don't buy from Temu and Shein and encourage my DD not to, but if money was super tight I can see why people do. (Buying second hand is always a lottery of finding something in your size anyway)

I like charity shops because I have a quirky style but they’ve become impossibly ridiculous. In the summer I saw a Primark dress that was on sale in Primark at the time for the same price!

bippityboppity87 · 22/11/2023 09:40

Clothes not plastic tat. It was a typo Hmm

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 22/11/2023 09:41

MN is so funny - don’t buy more than a t-shirt a year because of the planet but also shower 4 times a day after a poo because anything less will hospitalise you

User79785435 · 22/11/2023 09:41

BobShark · 22/11/2023 08:54

Does anyone not wonder why everything is so cheap?

They are selling under cost in order to mine your data, that's where they are making money, both of these sites are owned by the same parent group and when you agree to their terms it basically gives them access to all data, images, history, everything on your device.

These companies are not in the business of selling products, they are in the business of data collection, to then sell.

Not true. That is actually exactly how much it costs for factories to produce those products AND make a profit on top. Anyone with experience sourcing from China knows that the wholesale cost of most lifestyle items are between £0.10-£5. You can go on Alibaba and get quotes for yourself if you don't believe it. None of the Temu products are custom-made or branded which means they can be created in an absolutely massive MOQ (minimum order quantity), the price gets pushed even lower. The factory pricing is nothing new and has been this way for the past 20-30 years. The only difference is that Temu/Shein/Aliexpress has giving everyday consumers access to small units of those products for the first time.

You are being taken for a mug if you believe that paying £10 for the same product from ASDA or Amazon is making a difference. By all means do so if you can afford it. But bear in mind that extra £9 you decide to spend out of moral righteousness is simply a markup that a company CEO decided on so he can pay for his Mercedes. You are funding those fat cats who are making arbitrary profits in the UK and driving the COL even higher. Those are the people who aren't affected by price increases and thus the government or other retailers have less incentive to do anything about it. If they start losing their business due to people switching to Temu then there might actually be changes in pricing close to home.

I worked in UK retail (sourcing and production) for a while and it was a true eye opener. The vast majority of companies and trendy brands get their products made in China. The quality was amazing in some cases, it all depends on which factory you choose. Some factories are sloppy and produce the typical crappy plastic tat that break after a few uses. Other manufacturers have great attention to detail and project managers who speak perfect english.

Incidentally, there are lots of people here who want to believe that Chinese factories are full of children to justify their own moral high-ground tinged with racism. Sorry to disappoint you but that's not the case. All the places in Shenzhen are absolutely normal production facilities with staff who choose to be there. Doing business with western companies is the backbone of their business model and they are open all year round for visitations (we went as well). Going by MN logic, they will have to maintain hidden warehouses with little kids making the products, along with a fake showroom of the same machinery and products to show inspectors and western contractors. This is laughable and unfeasible on so many levels. Similarly, if word got out that one factory is using child labour, you can bet your arse that they will immediately get reported to the authorities or media by a competitor who wants their contracts. Chinese factories are not in some conspiracy collusion to hide child labour from the West...they are in direct competition with each other and would love the chance to snitch one of their own if it meant a business advantage.

The pay and working conditions for factory workers are obviously not amazing, but neither is that of minimum wage jobs all over the world. However since China doesn't suffer from the COL crisis, the quality of life in relation to salary for many factory workers are arguably better than someone on a very lowly paid job in the UK. The factory to consumer business model is hugely popular within China as well. Temu is based on the app Taobao which is massive in Asia. So each factory has their own creative teams creating content and marketing the products over social media. It's really less shocking and scandalous than many people in the West want to believe.

PostItInABook · 22/11/2023 09:41

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 22/11/2023 09:41

MN is so funny - don’t buy more than a t-shirt a year because of the planet but also shower 4 times a day after a poo because anything less will hospitalise you

😂😂😂🤣

bippityboppity87 · 22/11/2023 09:42

@SurprisedWithAHorse

SurprisedWithAHorse · 22/11/2023 09:47

bippityboppity87 · 22/11/2023 09:40

Clothes not plastic tat. It was a typo Hmm

I don't know what the disapproving emoji is for. I didn't know what you were saying and I didn't know why I was tagged. I still don't.

PurpleWisteria1 · 22/11/2023 09:48

User79785435 · 22/11/2023 09:41

Not true. That is actually exactly how much it costs for factories to produce those products AND make a profit on top. Anyone with experience sourcing from China knows that the wholesale cost of most lifestyle items are between £0.10-£5. You can go on Alibaba and get quotes for yourself if you don't believe it. None of the Temu products are custom-made or branded which means they can be created in an absolutely massive MOQ (minimum order quantity), the price gets pushed even lower. The factory pricing is nothing new and has been this way for the past 20-30 years. The only difference is that Temu/Shein/Aliexpress has giving everyday consumers access to small units of those products for the first time.

You are being taken for a mug if you believe that paying £10 for the same product from ASDA or Amazon is making a difference. By all means do so if you can afford it. But bear in mind that extra £9 you decide to spend out of moral righteousness is simply a markup that a company CEO decided on so he can pay for his Mercedes. You are funding those fat cats who are making arbitrary profits in the UK and driving the COL even higher. Those are the people who aren't affected by price increases and thus the government or other retailers have less incentive to do anything about it. If they start losing their business due to people switching to Temu then there might actually be changes in pricing close to home.

I worked in UK retail (sourcing and production) for a while and it was a true eye opener. The vast majority of companies and trendy brands get their products made in China. The quality was amazing in some cases, it all depends on which factory you choose. Some factories are sloppy and produce the typical crappy plastic tat that break after a few uses. Other manufacturers have great attention to detail and project managers who speak perfect english.

Incidentally, there are lots of people here who want to believe that Chinese factories are full of children to justify their own moral high-ground tinged with racism. Sorry to disappoint you but that's not the case. All the places in Shenzhen are absolutely normal production facilities with staff who choose to be there. Doing business with western companies is the backbone of their business model and they are open all year round for visitations (we went as well). Going by MN logic, they will have to maintain hidden warehouses with little kids making the products, along with a fake showroom of the same machinery and products to show inspectors and western contractors. This is laughable and unfeasible on so many levels. Similarly, if word got out that one factory is using child labour, you can bet your arse that they will immediately get reported to the authorities or media by a competitor who wants their contracts. Chinese factories are not in some conspiracy collusion to hide child labour from the West...they are in direct competition with each other and would love the chance to snitch one of their own if it meant a business advantage.

The pay and working conditions for factory workers are obviously not amazing, but neither is that of minimum wage jobs all over the world. However since China doesn't suffer from the COL crisis, the quality of life in relation to salary for many factory workers are arguably better than someone on a very lowly paid job in the UK. The factory to consumer business model is hugely popular within China as well. Temu is based on the app Taobao which is massive in Asia. So each factory has their own creative teams creating content and marketing the products over social media. It's really less shocking and scandalous than many people in the West want to believe.

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I agree with much of what you have written but please please do some more research on Temu in particular.
They do mine data and evidence is mounting that they do place code on phones to monitor activity and change setting etc in other apps.
This goes beyond Asda. It’s a new ball game. Yes Asda and the like are bad enough and source from China and make a mark up etc, but at least some is going back into the Uk economy. Asda have to follow a certain set of rules in order to trade in the Uk. No terribly high standards but something at least. Asda arnt stealing product pictures and ideas from Uk sellers. Asda arnt using criminals in prisons to make products for free. Asda arnt bombarding google with billions in advertising knocking every other uk business out of the results. There are fair trading laws in the UK for a start. No such thing exists when you start talking about Temu / shein

Frabbits · 22/11/2023 09:57

Temu absolutely do mine and sell data including to criminals who then use it for phishing scams, identity theft and so on.

As do a lot of these cheapo places. Yet another reason to avold these places like the plague.

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 22/11/2023 09:58

Has anyone got any actual evidence that Temu sell data to criminals?

User79785435 · 22/11/2023 10:00

They do mine data and evidence is mounting that they do place code on phones to monitor activity and change setting etc in other apps.

Yes, my point was mainly about the pricing and I can't prove anything regarding data mining. However Facebook and Instagram and the vast majority of apps all track user activity on the same level. The easiest way companies profit illegally from their data is to sell email lists of active users. Everyone gets spam from mailing lists they never signed up for and this is because your email was sold or stolen as leads. It's impossible to prove who did this unless you use separate emails for every single account you create.

It's also common sense by now to use encrypted payment methods like Paypal instead of entering our credit card details into any website or app. Even secure servers from reputable providers can be hacked. So in that respect, I feel Temu has the baseline risk of any other website or app. To me it's comparable to the risk of getting mugged while on holiday. The chances of it happening might be slightly higher in some countries and you take precautions, but you can never 100% protect yourself from crime. You can't just sit home and refuse to go anywhere or do anything because you don't want to be a victim of crime.

pastypirate · 22/11/2023 10:01

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 22/11/2023 09:37

Anyway, why are people even buying clothes? What do you need them for? I just tip up bits of my carrot every 9 months and string it all together to make a carpet tracksuit. What are you all buying so many clothes for when you can just fashion it out of what you have in your home?

This....

Diamonde · 22/11/2023 10:01

Needmorelego · 22/11/2023 08:39

@Oliotya about recycling....
A big thing last summer was many towns having school uniform exchanges. There were loads all over the country.
The one in my parents town was literally you could pick what you needed for free. Others were "pay if you can" or 50p an item.
These exchanges were all run by volunteers.
This is the type of thing that should become standard in a society. This is one thing I meant by recycling more. Facilities need to be made easier for people to be able to do this. With school uniform it's easy to do because you can drop the clothes off at your child's school as the pick up point.

Definitely agree with this. It's easy to move clothes along with kids (harder with adult sizes and tastes)

sabbii · 22/11/2023 10:02

Wow, very judgemental from OP!! Short answer people will buy from wherever without being dictated to. I buy from them all and Temu/Shein is no different from eBay or Amazon. For most people ethical concerns are ignored. The stuf I have from Temu have been great quality (original Lenovo and various clothing and accessories)

Bbq1 · 22/11/2023 10:05

RudsyFarmer · 20/11/2023 17:41

I’ve never shopped in either of these places but i’m now considering it!

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I've downloaded the app due to this thread! Same stuff as Amazon but pounds cheaper.

Needmorelego · 22/11/2023 10:05

@Oliotya the pillows have already been washed many times and doubled up.
I doubt the filling is very hygienic by now - years worth of sweat and dribble.
It's time they went.
I live in a London borough in a block of flats. We have large communal bins. One for for "recycling" , one for everyday rubbish.
Unfortunately by being communal the recycling bins frequently get contaminated with incorrect rubbish. Either by people that simply don't realise they are doing it wrong (the recycling should be loose and not in any form of a bag), they put something they think the council will recycle but don't (ie a dead pillow) or they simply don't care.
As a result much of what is in the recycling bin ends up in the landfill dustcart.
There is a local "tip" (aka recycling centre). You can't drop off by walking in - you have to be in a car. That rules out a massive amount of Londoners because many don't have cars.
I am lucky I am in walking distance of a charity shop that accepts un saleable clothes for rag recycling but not everyone can do that.
My borough is a nightmare for fly tipping. There's broken furniture, mattresses, broken electric items....in fact just about anything and everything dumped everywhere. Why? Because some people are selfish and lazy - but also some people just don't know what to "do" with stuff that's reached the end of it's life.
As a country we need better when it comes to recycling and disposal of products that simply can't be recycled. It's all so half arsed.
There are a lot of community based projects that are making things better (like the school uniform exchanges) but it's still pretty crap.

Frabbits · 22/11/2023 10:10

sabbii · 22/11/2023 10:02

Wow, very judgemental from OP!! Short answer people will buy from wherever without being dictated to. I buy from them all and Temu/Shein is no different from eBay or Amazon. For most people ethical concerns are ignored. The stuf I have from Temu have been great quality (original Lenovo and various clothing and accessories)

"For most people ethical concerns are ignored."

This is basically it, and how fucking depressing is that. Who cares about unethical labour practices, about the environmental cost, about legitimate designers having their IP ripped off or that these places happily sell your data on when you can get 100 colouring pencils 20p cheaper than you can in home bargains.

mrlistersgelfbride · 22/11/2023 10:11

I try to go for ethical brands if I can but honestly Shein is fantastic for childrens clothes.
I do feel bad shopping there and try to limit it but have just bought DD some lovely dresses for her birthday/christmas- the quality is surprisingly good.

Temu annoys me with it's mass spamming but my friend swears by it. She does a Temu 'haul' and the stuff seems decent quality.

People buy from them as they have a wide range of products and are cheap.

Bluelightbaby · 22/11/2023 10:17

I buy from SHEIN (also Vinted but even then that works out more with all the individual p&p) I buy because it’s all I can afford. Some of the clothes I’ve had for years. I do sometimes look in charity shops but I’m yet to find anything remotely fashionable.

ive also bought other bits for my house on shein too.

Boysnana · 22/11/2023 10:19

You may well find that temu shein and wish are selling straight to you without the labels.
You can wait until they hit our shops and have the labels sewn in and pay more if you like.

Whether we like it or not these items are coming into the UK... branded or not...

Boysnana · 22/11/2023 10:21

Some of amazon and eBay are drop shipped to you from temu etc anyway

Needmorelego · 22/11/2023 10:23

@Frabbits I do admit I am baffled by people that buy things like colouring pencils online because they are something that is easy to get cheap from many High Street retailers.
But then again I know of people who rarely actually go to physical shops and just order everything they buy online (not just Temu etc type places - but mainstream retailers too). I have spoken to people who seem completely unaware what some retailers sell. When I helped out at the primary school PTA and we would get crafty bits for events - there was always at least one parent who was shocked you could buy colouring pens and crayons at Poundland because "I didn't know they sold that sort of thing" !
(baffled to think what they thought Poundland sells 🤔)

Frabbits · 22/11/2023 10:56

Boysnana · 22/11/2023 10:19

You may well find that temu shein and wish are selling straight to you without the labels.
You can wait until they hit our shops and have the labels sewn in and pay more if you like.

Whether we like it or not these items are coming into the UK... branded or not...

What they are mostly doing is ripping off other designs with no consideration for IP, usually along with stealing photos of the legitimate item to make you think that it's the real thing.

And then taking advantage of the fact that a large number of people won't notice or will notice but of the sake of a couple of quid won't bother returning.

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