Rwanda plan

[AdamRyan]

Was just reading Suella Bravermans thoughts on how to make the Rwanda plan work, which involve sending staff there to review claims and pulling out of all human rights and refugee conventions.

The plan has cost £140m to Rwanda so far, plus £££££ in legal fees and so far we've sent no-one and found out its illegal. I'm very baffled as to why the government are pursuing it, I keep hearing that "most people" support it. So I thought I'd ask:

IABU: It's a priority as it will deter immigration and the government should spend whatever money and time it takes to deliver this

IANBU: The government should focus time/money on other priorities instead.

Uphold Values!

What values?

I am not going to tell you

ad nauseum

Careful, you re heading for a "leave me alone, bother someone else" very shortly.

So maybe you can tell me what values EasternStandard means

Please see my above point about asking endless questions to avoid the topic in hand. 😂

😂 at people getting annoyed

I expect I’ll hear about it in months to come as I do repeatedly from @Alexandra2001 who follows me needing responses

They haven’t got over it either

Well, I like to know what values people think asylum seekers should adhere to, why bother mention it otherwise.

You said that I have difficulties understanding so I thought you might be able to clarify, clearly not.

I didn't think it was such a loaded question.

I like to know what values people think asylum seekers should adhere to

If this refers to my post you’ve misread it

@AdamRyan You mentioned todays immigration figures.

The peoole arriving on boats are a small proportion. As you rightly identify, these people have jobs to come to and are mostly coming through legal routes. The boats are unsafe, the people using them are exploited and don’t have jobs to go to. They are circumventing the systems we have in place. I would prefer to see everyone who comes here to come in a safe way. We should process claims quickly. Clearly the areas receiving “illeagal” immigrants are unhappy. If you recall great swathes of the uk don’t like the levels of immigration anyway. Hence Brexit and numerous complaints about housing, schools, gps etc.

We are also losing around 1/2 million people each year.

How would someone coming to the UK from for instance Afganistan apply for a visa for one of the jobs that they were qualified for and the UK needs filling?

There is nowhere in Afganistan where they could take the required SELT.

The immigrants do not come from every country. We do process people who want jobs from many many countries though who are qualified for the work in offer. Of course some countries are not represented and these people are refugees. They are selecting the uk as a destination but do not want to stay in other countries on the way. Therefore they come on unsafe boats. I would prefer it if we processed them quickly and if they are refugees they stay and can apply for jobs. I’m not sure what route Afghans take out of Afghanistan but we cannot be the only safe and desirable destination. They can apply from other countries they pass through.

Im sure someone knows, but what are the proportions coming from different countries via boats? It also makes me wonder if we process obvious refugees first. Hence fairly high levels of success.

The figures were net migration. 725,000 last year.
The Rwanda plan is not going to stop people using unsafe routes as they still have to get here before they get sent to Rwanda. Last year 80,000 came on boats. We are planning to send 1000 to Rwanda.
I honestly cannot see why on earth this policy is being pursued so fervently. Its proved illegal, costing ££, and is going to only apply to a tiny proportion of asylum seekers. Its going to have as much impact on overall migration as a fart in a wind tunnel.

I want to know which broadcaster it is. Guessing GBNews 🙄

OMG! I know.

what is it with them and wanting reliable sources?

read the room, sheeple! We’re sick of experts.

Okay, shall we try again then

We have a strong broadcaster which will see threat to values and push against it, but media on the right will rise

What are those values?

(I won't aks about the broadcast and media on the right)

Blimey

You think ‘strong broadcaster’ was referring to GBN?

Or would that be under ‘media on the right’

GBNews has values?

Which is why Brexit and the UKs covid response has been such a success...

@AdamRyan 44,460 people detected arriving by small boats, out of 52,530 irregular migrants detected entering the UK,

Those are just the people detected of course but it does all seem an enormous amount of fuss for such a small number of people.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/irregular-migration-to-the-uk-year-ending-june-2023/irregular-migration-to-the-uk-year-ending-june-2023

I’m surprised you all put GBN in first category not second

But not really as more diversion..

I see our new Home Secretary is already lying his arse off. 🙄

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/people-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/

I have no idea what you are talking about at this point tbh 😂but not to worry, I know we aren't going to agree

And since the vast majority of asylum seekers are granted humanitarian leave to remain those that are left aren't even enough to fill a large village.
But this is apparently the biggest problem facing the country.

Thanks, I did think after I'd got asylum seekers and boat ppl number mixed up!

You misread the first one too.

I doubt we’ll agree but I also doubt your view will buffer changes happening around you, if you go outside mn threads

You’ll see it in world news, if you bother to read it

I can see the trend, obviously, but that doesn't mean that 1) I agree with the populist bollocks the government are doing to respond and 2) I agree with the xenophobic culture wars/threats from immigrants that's being pushed.

Suella Braverman said a hurricane was coming. And her plan was to build a populist distration into boats and groomers, knowing that the government are doing nothing to keep control of immigration and have no inclination to spend the time or money to do so.