Rwanda plan

[AdamRyan]

Was just reading Suella Bravermans thoughts on how to make the Rwanda plan work, which involve sending staff there to review claims and pulling out of all human rights and refugee conventions.

The plan has cost £140m to Rwanda so far, plus £££££ in legal fees and so far we've sent no-one and found out its illegal. I'm very baffled as to why the government are pursuing it, I keep hearing that "most people" support it. So I thought I'd ask:

IABU: It's a priority as it will deter immigration and the government should spend whatever money and time it takes to deliver this

IANBU: The government should focus time/money on other priorities instead.

Engaging with the rest of the world, not running away from them.

If people look at trends and voting patterns generally they’ll see politicians are being pressured in many countries to resolve this

The most likely collaboration I can see is agreement current international law isn’t viable any more

In the meantime it’s various countries seeing more importance given to immigration policies

Whoever is easiest for traffickers will find it very difficult

Legal safe routes will stop most of the boats and traffickers.

How many by legal and safe route would stop most of the boats and traffickers?

We currently have 60k on average per year by legal routes so how many from which countries would work?

It's reasonable to work on the basis that this would stop everyone with a reasonably strong asylum claim from using the boats, because why would you pay a fortune for a dangerous crossing when you can pay a normal amount for a safe one. We know that that's around 75% of current asylum seekers. Additionally, it's likely that some boat operators would pack it in for lack of trade. On any calculation, that's pretty good numbers and would save a fortune in housing asylum seekers, policing the channel etc.

Ok can you put a figure on what would work and which countries?

I’ll ask directly would 20k each from Syria, Iraq and Iran work?

Or would there still be people wanting to pay traffickers to get into the easiest location they can?

If that 60k wouldn’t do it what would

And that’s only three countries so how many countries on the list for safe routes

Traffickers advertise by ease. Profit is high already at 100kish per boat but will get more lucrative

Whichever tops that list will find it harder to cope

Any other routes extra to that won’t change this set up

You don't see any merit @EasternStandard in trying to address the causes of migration then?

Given that the government permitted more than 20 times that number of migrants to the UK last year, there is I would suggest plenty of scope for increasing the number of asylum seekers who were welcomed to the UK.

Huge numbers of immigrants are students. Those from China don’t tend to bring family. Those from the other big student groups do. I think Nigeria and India. There would be a very different picture with no student families.

Students don't tend to stay longer than a couple of years and bring in money

https://www.universitiesuk.ac.uk/latest/news/international-students-boost-uk-economy

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/reports/why-are-the-latest-net-migration-figures-not-a-reliable-guide-to-future-trends/

Interestingly the number of undergraduate applications fell last year, and looks likely to again this year.

And anyone who thinks migrant workers shouldn't bring their families, a story

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2023/dec/18/if-we-fail-the-nhs-will-fail-tories-drive-to-cut-migration-leaves-social-care-on-a-cliff-edge

What is UAK?

https://news.sky.com/story/four-rwandans-granted-refuge-in-uk-over-fears-of-persecution-as-government-argues-country-is-safe-13058353

Hard to fathom why we need to give refuge to people from such a safe place!

And those beautiful homes that Braverman praised during her visit are not for asylum seekers after all

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/rwanda-scheme-asylum-seekers-bwiza-riverside-estate-suella-braverman/

‘Beautiful’ flats that home secretary said would house deported asylum seekers have been sold, developers say

It's hard not to conclude that the entire Rwanda rumpus has been driven by some very very deep infiltrators to the Tory party from the opposition.

It's the only explanation than makes sense. The course it is taking seems to be the answer to "How much crap can we feed these idiots without them twigging ?"

I am also suspecting team Trump have been duped in a similar way.

@SerendipityJane I assume you mean the Reform Party? These policies are right wing dressed up as Red Wall. Labour is quiet on immigration because the Red Wall is full of Brexit voting semi racist Labour voters.

No, quite the reverse.

The Rwanda policy can only have been sneaked into the Tories by a deep Labour mole. The fact that the Tories and Reform seem set to slug it out over an issue that will win neither of them any new votes is proof. It is a work of absolute genius, since it cost nothing to get the ludicrous right wing media to run with it, and do the heavy lifting. It is exactly the form of asymmetric warfare the USSR was using in the cold war.

Chefs kiss to the team that dreamt it up. Use your enemies strength against them. It's all a bit Sun Tzu or Marcus Aurelius. Which is just gilding the lily really.

Wtf. That's got to be a joke, surely.
It's not a labour mole scheme. It's a pandering to right wing, racist "take back control" idiots that appear to be the backbone of the current Conservative membership.

It's hard not to conclude that the entire Rwanda rumpus has been driven by some very very deep infiltrators to the Tory party from the opposition

It was something BoJo dreamed up with his advisors to try and focus people away from party gate.