To not understand how Yoko Ono

[Anonymous45789]

Is held up as a feminist icon after pimping out her 21 year old assistant to John Lennon:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12735915/Yoko-asked-sleep-John-fell-love-thats-wanted-one-bizarre-episodes-Beatles-history-Pang-Lennons-lover-18-months-tells-story.html

Why hasn’t she been cancelled?

@Catpuss66 - That John Lennon ceded his life to Yoko Ono isn’t something that’s debatable. To what extent he did so willingly, is. He wasn’t a functional or mentally-well adult, but that doesn’t explain why he abandoned his own agency in the way he did and gave Yoko a power of attorney that relinquished control of his life (including his finances, image and will) to her. For me, at least, it’s extremely telling that he only felt able to challenge Yoko in public when her hangers-on (who practiced hypnotism and Santeria witchcraft) weren’t around. Yes, he did it by publicly humiliating her, but should we view it as a moral failing on his part or as a cry for help?

Yoko turned 90 years old earlier this year
Can anyone explain to me why OP started this thread ?

Why does anyone start any thread and why is her age any more relevant than her ethnicity or gender? Isn’t that what is normally used to silence anyone who dares to criticise the appalling things she has done.

Whenever either of them are mentioned this image comes to mind.

You forget they are of a generation that did that type of thing, my parents are in their 80’s they have left everything to each other that is not unusual. As much as I love him as a song writer in this period of his life he was an arsehole, & he hurt lots of people who loved him him Yoko, Paul his son Julian, he eventually realised it & tried to make amends at least to Sean & Yoko & I think eventually to Paul & the rest of the band. Not sure witchcraft had a lot to do with it.

LOL. Yoko didn’t love John Lennon. He was her meal ticket. The world’s richest hostage.

John had some pretty heavy childhood trauma with being a war child in the Liverpool Blitz, father walking off, mother giving him away to his Aunt, and mother then being killed. Being vilified for the bigger than Jesus thing and his adventures into LSD didn't help his mental state either.

Oh I didn’t know you knew them. What a stupid comment, wonder why she never married again she has been a widow for over 40 years. Wonder what her son Sean would say to your comment.

She married Sam Havadtoy, the guy she moved into the Dakota the night John was killed.

And I honestly couldn’t care less what Sean Lennon thinks.

Sure he doesn’t care what you think either. As no one knows your name.

I’m not sure that either of them admitted to getting married, but it’s certainly true that he moved in the night John was shot, and he was photographed with Yoko in Central Park a few weeks later wearing John’s clothes.

I havent read the full thread so Im sure others have made the same point, I knew of this story, its common knowlege and features in documentaries about them all

The lover was a grown woman so made her own choices

And what does cancelling Yoko Ono mean? Is she off your christmas card list or something OP?

I’m surprised at the number of posters defending Yoko Ono on this thread. Wouldn’t this be classed as sexual harassment these days?

It would be classified as sexual assault if a man did it.

So, if someone worked as a nanny, for example, and the female employer ordered the nanny to sleep with her husband, that wouldn’t be sexual harassment?

Sadly, user1469301451 seems not to understand a simple question.

Anyone explain to me why OP started this thread ?

Because I saw the article and thought it was an interesting question to ask. Have I broken some sort of Mumsnet rule by doing so?

Ok let's be brutally honest. He was not a nice person. He was behind the dumping of Pete best. He manipulated Brian Epstein who fancies him. He made sure that the Beatles in the main only recorded his or Paul's songs, George is on record for feeling put down about his songs. He dumped his wife. And son.
She was very very manipulative, her "signing" on his records ... She has used his name and her position for years.

Did he manipulate Brian Epstein or did Brian Epstein manipulate him? He let Brian take him to Spain, but did he go because he wanted to or because he had to? Brian had all the power in the situation, remember.

I don't really see why the Pete Best situation makes John a nasty person or how someone who wasn't there can make a moral judgement about it 60 years later. I thought it was very interesting in the Let it Be film when John and Paul were recorded talking about George and John was saying how difficult it was for him not getting the recognition for his songs. It was obviously hard for George being the 'third wheel' next to Lennon/McCartney but I don't think it's just down to John being 'nasty'. It's not as if George set the world alight with his solo career...

The conspiracy posts here are something else - is it Yoko paid Mark Chapman to kill John, but in case the money wasn't enough she also sent him subliminal messages through her music? Is that right?

The more I learn about John Lennon the sadder a figure he seems to be.

Whether she meant to or not, Yoko seemed to steam all the fun out of him.

I can’t see that anyone made a comment that Yoko paid MDC to kill John. I commented that the build up to the shooting appeared to choreographed, which it did. The fact that Yoko repeatedly used the word ‘phony’ in I’m Moving On is extremely odd, as is the notion that John’s assassin - a part time security guard - would be an art collector. There are other strange coincidences, but clearly any mention of them on here is a no no, so I won’t elaborate.

What are you implying then if that's not the comment you're making? I'm not that familiar with the case.