To eat bolognaise I left out over night?

[shorterthanaverage]

I cooked a big pot of bolognaise last night and left the remainder on top of the oven in a big aluminium casserole pot with every intention of portioning it up and putting it the fridge for today.

Would it be ok for me to have for lunch or do I need to waste it now?

Good lord.

what are you querying exactly?

You can't dispute that pasta a very dangerous source of food poisoning

You cant dispute that feeding a child pasta or meat that has been unrefrigerated overnight is irresponsible and dangerous, and puts the child's welfare at risk.

You cant dispute that parents who are known to take actions that directly endanger their children will be flagged by the school as safeguarding risks.

You can't dispute that, presumably being a normal human being who loves their child(ren) the Op is vanishingly unlikely to have fed them something that they have been clearly warned is a danger to them.

Yes, you might get away with eating unrefrigerated pasta, but at the same time, you might not, and any children who have eaten this or similar need a close eye kept on them for the next couple of weeks. You don't know if you have got away with it for two weeks, and even then symptoms of some food poisoning can start weeks later, so you cant be sure even after a fortnight

I assume the OP is bluffing about having fed this to children, because they have been clearly warned it is extremely dangerous, so they wouldn't, would they. I am sure they would not.

OP says nothing about pasta at all. She talks about the bolognese in a pot, so the sauce. Which will have been totally fine to reheat.

*If a child in my school reported being fed something like this, it would be reported under safeguarding

I don't believe the OP has fed this to children, because it would be such an irresponsible and dangerous thing to do - they are probably just bluffing*

How on earth do you cope on a day to day basis 😂😂😂😂

Unless this is sarcasm?

i didnt know that about pasta,
i know about rice
anyway what age are the op's children.

at 930 last night everyone was fine. hope @shorterthanaverage you all had a good night and are still fine.

I assume the OP is bluffing about having fed this to children, because they have been clearly warned it is extremely dangerous, so they wouldn't, would they. I am sure they would not.

I have no idea how you think the human race has survived this long if you decide that eating food cooked the previous day is 'extremely dangerous' and the OP must be 'bluffing'.

😂😂😂

I do this all the time btw, so report me if you want.

Someone call social services or police now as I obviously haven’t been safeguarding my dc.

@secondfavouritesocks Sorry, you’re, you’re being over dramatic (or a troll). As people have testified, it’s fine to cool cooked meat overnight. It was a problem, there would by greater incidences of food poisoning recorded, probably a daily or weekly occurrence at school.

i have never known pasta to cause food poisoning, so I can dispute that.

i can also dispute that feeding a child called, cooked meat (reheated) is a welfare risk.

It is not a safeguarding risk.

I’m sure there’s far more problems , injuries etc from kids playing football , rugby, falling off bikes, skateboards etc. Are these safeguarding issues also?

you realise hundreds of people die every year in the UK from food poisoning? You might never have (knowingly) come across food poisoning from pasta, so what, that doesn't change the science. Meat should also me refrigerated overnight, obviously - and yes if I knew you and knew you were feeding your children dangerously, I would report you.

In my school, yes food poisoning is a regular occurrence, it probably is at your children's school too. It is a pyramid, like all these things. Most people just have a horrendous couple of days, some are left permanently disabled and a few die.

Why would you want to risk your children's welfare?

sorry, should clarify, by food poisoning in school, I mean school absence from food poisoning at home - not from school catering,

Obviously any school caterers that left cooked pasta or meat out overnight should be reported to the police, immediately, and in such circumstances I would expect environmental health to close the school down for a day for a clean. In 30 years teaching I have once been in a school that was closed for this reason, and once when we were not told the reason the school was closed suddenly at 9.30, but we were told "H and S" and assumed it was something like this

Oh please have a day off.

It is the ignorance that gets me, most people would probably be Ok from this, however for people with a weaker immune system food poisoning can be very dangerous , cause long lasting illness and worse case scenario kill. Those knowlingly doing this with children under 5 is terrible (not saying your child is this age OP but if they are then I think what you have done is very irresponsible). It is just not worth playing Russian roulette , I would have binned it, unless you can he certain the kitchen was under 5°c all night...

Can you please, please @secondfavouritesocks explain to me how you get a sufficient number of pathogens growing in a covered pot of meat that is close to being sterile at the point that it is being left in the kitchen? Some of these hours it will still be above the temperature that an average Salmonella or Campylobacter can actually grow at. And where do all these potential pathogens (which are pretty much all lifestock associated with the possible exception of Clostridia and Bacillus cereus) spring from in an averagely clean kitchen?

No bloody wonder social services have no time to do their jobs if folk are on the phone every time their neighbours feed their kids last night's bolognese.

And as for shutting down schools - schools were literally falling down on top of children and they were very reluctant to shut them.

People are batshit on here! Social services indeed! Get a life.

you don't seem to understand the basic fundamental's of bacterial growth.

Firstly a sauce pan is not a sealed vacuum, it is exposed to the air, air is circulating in and out of it with the convection currents as the food cools, and the air is going to be bringing in many live bacteria which will settle down and very quickly start multiplying.

Secondly the contents of the sauce pan are NOT sterile, there may be many bacterial spores in there, which will survive the heat, then erupt and start multiplying as the temperature falls to warm then to room temperature. At room temperature they could be doubling every 20 minutes, they will be producing dangerous toxins which no amount of heating is going to neutralise and the food will become very dangerous

This is very basic KS3 school science

It is just not worth playing Russian roulette

We take tiny risks every single day. Every time you get in a car, you risk injury or death. Every time you cross the street.

But we weight up risk and act proportionally.

So until someone can provide actual figures about the likelihood of serious illness here, it feels like a silly thing to get worked up about. The number of healthy people suffering serious consequences from food poisoning is relatively tiny. My understanding is that the vast majority of food poising case (90%+) occur in commercial premises, not the home. We all know that certain foods are infinitely more risky than spag Bol. If you think people should be concerned about this, then produce some evidence. Or we could all just use or common sense and get on with it.

People are batshit on here! Social services indeed! Get a life.

I would genuinely love to be a fly on the wall if someone reported this to SS 😱

It is a stupid, crazy and utterly pointless risk to take. I dont know what figures you want, but there are millions of cases of food poisoning in the uk every every, and hundreds of deaths.

Sure we take risks every day, but there is something extremely seriously wrong with your ability to "weigh up" the risks if you are prepared to risk giving yourself or your children poisoning which at best causes days of severe pain and discomfort, and days lost from education and work, and at worst causes permanent disability or death

There is no reason to take these risks at all. Put your food in the fridge as soon as it has cooled - especially if it is rice, pasta or meat, eat it within 1-2 days, and if you forget to refrigerate it or eat it in time, then throw it away -it isn't complicated, it is basic child care apart from anything else, and deliberately not following basic rules to protect your child from illness, pain, distress, and possibly disability or death is of course a serious safeguarding concern which will be reported.

Of course accidental contamination is still possible, but seriously I despair of the level of ignorance and dangerous behaviour I see on Mumsnet about this issue.

I expect many of the people boasting about feeding their family dangerous food are actually lying to get a response, and would not ever dream of doing anything so stupid, however you don't know who might be reading your posts and genuinely be ignorant enough to think you are being serious and saying this behaviour is safe

why? This sort of behaviour is reported to social services, and it is of course followed up and investigated, it is child endangerment

I'm sure social services would take a call reporting a parent for feeding their child reheated spag bol very seriously indeed.

Definitely.

For sure.

Absolutely no doubt.

Are you for real?! Is it bollocks investigated!

In what world?!! There are children experiencing SEVERE AND SUSTAINED NEGLECT who, because of high case loads, go under the radar. And you expect SS to jump into action cos your neighbour might give their child a dicky tummy (its totally unlikely theyd get sick anyway). My eyes are so far back in my head right now it's unreal.

SocialWorkerNet would be full of stories about the demented loons reporting reheated pasta events.

I think some people have been inside too long and need to get outside and get some fresh air.

no, not for accidental food poisoning, of course not, but for deliberately feeding a child with cooked pasta that was out of the fridge, yes, this is certainly an issue. I was a foster carer for many years, I know what sort of reports SS investigated as far as child welfare goes, and I have been in education for decades and have seen safeguarding repots made on a similar basis several times.

Why wouldn't it be investigated? it is endangering child welfare

I dont know why people keep saying "it is unlikely". I will say it again. Millions of food poisoning cases requiring medical intervention every year in the UK, and hundreds of deaths