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Working on christmas day, the entitlement of others

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Mysticcatmum · 08/11/2023 11:15

I have a job in a 111 NHS call centre, the office is open 24hrs 7 days a week. I have just been given my Christmas rota and to my delight I have been given off Xmas day (which I have worked previous years).

Now I have had an influx of colleagues who have children, asking me to cover their shifts since 'I have no children'.

So, my question is, AIBU for thinking that I do not (apprantly) deserve to have a christmas off with my family (who have had a rough year) all for the sake of those who have children, who have been off previous years?

OP posts:
LaurieStrode · 11/11/2023 20:20

Britneyfan · 11/11/2023 19:36

@LaurieStrode oooohkay then! Remember not to have a career everyone if you want to have kids because you might be asked to work Christmas Day 🙄 Despite the fact that it is literally what saved me from being trapped in an abusive marriage and gave me the financial resources to leave. Meaning that I didn’t have to put my child in a shitty situation because of a rotten man.

Interesting that you say you’re not giving rotten and feckless men a free pass, and then immediately go on to give them one by saying they have no say into whether a child is born into shitty circumstances. Apparently these men just can’t help but spread their sperm around willy nilly, they have no control poor things…!!

No one ever spread their sperm to me, willy-nilly, hun. I made sure of that. Multiple forms of contraception are a thing. The fact that there are legions of shitty men out there is no excuse for "falling" pregnant by them.

It's excellent that you have a career that allowed you to establish your independence. I guess working Christmas Day and shifting the "magic" to another day, or to Christmas night after work, is the price of that. Seems a small price to pay.

If people's kids are so emotionally fragile that opening gifts on Christmas Eve, or before or after mum's shift on Christmas Day, or on Boxing Day, is going to derail them.... well, in that case, the family has bigger problems than a Dec 25 work commitment.

LaurieStrode · 11/11/2023 20:23

lightisnotwhite · 11/11/2023 19:36

Why does everyone use the word” entitlement” ? So puerile.

Whats entitled about asking for a holiday off that’s special to kids when you have kids. People are just asking.
If someone’s parent was terminally ill would they be entitled to ask as well? Because everyone has parents and they will all go one day. So that doesn’t make anyone special either does it.

One's work commitments are between one and one's employer. Pestering co-workers for personal gain, especially when "Christmas morning magic" is hardly an emergency, is obnoxious and entitled. If people wanted to have signed up to work Dec. 25, they already would have.

Don't like your working conditions, take it up with the boss, not colleagues.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 11/11/2023 20:24

@LaurieStrode - what about the shitty men who are really good at acting like good ones, until they are married or until the babies come along, like @Britneyfan’s ex - are they supposed to have a crystal ball, to see into the future and realise the man was going to turn shitty?

LaurieStrode · 11/11/2023 20:30

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 11/11/2023 20:24

@LaurieStrode - what about the shitty men who are really good at acting like good ones, until they are married or until the babies come along, like @Britneyfan’s ex - are they supposed to have a crystal ball, to see into the future and realise the man was going to turn shitty?

I don't believe that it really happens. In my lifetime of observation, people overlook a LOT of red flags when they are hellbent for the wedding and the baybee.

12e4567 · 11/11/2023 20:31

I'm sorry but you are being unreasonable, as an adult you can celebrate whenever but this could ruin a child's Christmas, you will understand when you have kids.

LaurieStrode · 11/11/2023 20:36

12e4567 · 11/11/2023 20:31

I'm sorry but you are being unreasonable, as an adult you can celebrate whenever but this could ruin a child's Christmas, you will understand when you have kids.

What hogwash. Very young kids don't even know what day it is, and older ones can be made to understand that mum and dad have to work.

This isn't emergency neurosurgery, it's shifting the time of present-opening forward or back a few hours. Not enough of a reason to be pestering others.

BarneyAteMyHomework · 11/11/2023 20:45

12e4567 · 11/11/2023 20:31

I'm sorry but you are being unreasonable, as an adult you can celebrate whenever but this could ruin a child's Christmas, you will understand when you have kids.

And what about people who will never have kids? Should they never have Christmas with their families?

anon12345anon · 11/11/2023 20:48

HakunaMatiłda · 08/11/2023 11:18

You are entitled to the day off.

They are entitled to ask you to swap.

You are entitled to say fuck off no.

This!!

(But it made me laugh GrinGrin!)

MRSMTO · 11/11/2023 21:18

12e4567 · 11/11/2023 20:31

I'm sorry but you are being unreasonable, as an adult you can celebrate whenever but this could ruin a child's Christmas, you will understand when you have kids.

Not everyone cares about your kids. You will understand when you get a grip.

Britneyfan · 11/11/2023 21:32

LaurieStrode · 11/11/2023 20:20

No one ever spread their sperm to me, willy-nilly, hun. I made sure of that. Multiple forms of contraception are a thing. The fact that there are legions of shitty men out there is no excuse for "falling" pregnant by them.

It's excellent that you have a career that allowed you to establish your independence. I guess working Christmas Day and shifting the "magic" to another day, or to Christmas night after work, is the price of that. Seems a small price to pay.

If people's kids are so emotionally fragile that opening gifts on Christmas Eve, or before or after mum's shift on Christmas Day, or on Boxing Day, is going to derail them.... well, in that case, the family has bigger problems than a Dec 25 work commitment.

Ummm no-one ever spread their sperm to me willy-nilly either (hun)! I only ever got pregnant by my husband who I believed to be a decent man at the time and not part of the legions of shitty men out there, but unfortunately it was all an act.

Believe it or not I wasn’t so hellbent on the wedding and the “baybee” that I’d have blithely ignored red flags. My family and friends wouldn’t have let me either.

Believe what you want but there are sociopaths out there and they are scarily good at masking.

I will accept that in hindsight, having gone through the Freedom Programme and educated myself significantly about abusive dynamics and also sociopaths, there was perhaps a very occasional hint as to what was to come that I simply missed at the time as someone in her twenties who was in love and who had not previously had the misfortune to come across the sort of man who seeks to control or abuse. It’s the downside of having had a lovely childhood and having only trustworthy and decent people around you. My guard wasn’t up enough. I wouldn’t make the same mistake again. However I maintain that there were certainly no glaring red flags at the time. He really hid it well and I thought at the time that he’d make an excellent husband and father.

I’d love to see some sort of programme in secondary schools to warn teenagers about what to look out for. I think I’d have recognised what was happening to me more quickly if I’d had such a programme at school. Probably would still have not recognised it until after marriage and children though (which is absolutely the typical time that an abusive man ramps up abuse, at the exact point non-coincidentally where it’s no longer easy to extricate yourself so it’s safe for them to let the mask drop - this definitely does happen, ask Women’s Aid etc).

But basically I think it’s a bit unfair to imply that I was so blinded by being totally desperate to get married and pregnant that I paid no attention to who I was marrying FFS. And that I deserved everything I got because of my apparent poor judgement in marrying an abusive and controlling man. I understand that nobody likes to think that it could have been them and so people tell themselves that they have better judgement than me, therefore this would never happen to them etc. It’s a psychological self-protection mechanism. I understand it but it doesn’t make it true.

And yes, that’s exactly what I did when I had to work Christmas, celebrated and found the “Christmas magic” as you so scathingly refer to it at another point in time, as you say it’s simply the price of having the career I have. Fortunately these days I don’t have to choose between my career and my child as I deliberately went into a niche of medicine that was more family friendly.

But I’m simply aware that not everyone has that choice, it isn’t easy to find childcare on Christmas Day if you aren’t close to family etc.

And so I think it’s totally ok to ask a colleague if they would consider swapping! I’ve done it before and it can work out for both people. I’d never make assumptions about someone not wanting Christmas off but it’s ok to ask if it’s important to them and if they’d consider swapping for a return favour. For example one time I had a Hindu colleague who wasn’t bothered about Christmas but wanted time off over Diwali. When he was rota-ed on. We swapped and so he had Diwali off and I had Christmas off. Win-win. It’s ok to ask. I agree it’s also ok to say no if it doesn’t suit!

RNmomof3 · 11/11/2023 21:43

YANBU! I have work front door nhs for 9 years. I have 3 children. I work my fair share of Christmas Day. Every other year is expected. I worked last year so I’ll be off this year. I wouldn’t dream of asking anyone else to cover my Christmas Day shift. Your commitments (or lack of them) are just as valid as your colleagues family. Enjoy your Christmas OP 🎅🏻 xx

Parker231 · 11/11/2023 21:45

12e4567 · 11/11/2023 20:31

I'm sorry but you are being unreasonable, as an adult you can celebrate whenever but this could ruin a child's Christmas, you will understand when you have kids.

DH has worked his share of many Christmas days - it hasn’t spoilt it for the DC’s.

stichguru · 11/11/2023 22:11

LaurieStrode · 11/11/2023 20:15

But they should have backup, too. Going through life assuming Plan A will always work out is irresponsible. If I found that someone hadn't bothered to make contingency plans in case grandparents sick, nursery closed, etc., I'd not be impressed. Co-workers aren't the emergency Plan B.

Good theory - So you before you had kids, you would check that your kids would never be ill or injured on a work day, and that you would always have a friend that you trusted with you kids who would definitely never work, never be sick and never go on holiday? If so, fine for you. But most of us can't see 18 years into the future. There are times when parents have to parent END OF.

NIClaire · 11/11/2023 22:15

Children or not, if you choose a shift job then you have to be willing to do your fair share. You have worked Christmas previous years, so you are well within your right for this Christmas off to spend with your family.

If being off on Christmas day is essential to some people and they don't want to do their fair share, then they need to look for a job that doesn't open on Christmas.

LaurieStrode · 11/11/2023 22:19

stichguru · 11/11/2023 22:11

Good theory - So you before you had kids, you would check that your kids would never be ill or injured on a work day, and that you would always have a friend that you trusted with you kids who would definitely never work, never be sick and never go on holiday? If so, fine for you. But most of us can't see 18 years into the future. There are times when parents have to parent END OF.

It helps a lot if there are two parents. People who want to produce offspring should be a lot more scrupulous and prudent to ensure THAT will be the case.

Mookie81 · 11/11/2023 22:22

TheJubileePortrait · 08/11/2023 11:48

While you do have a right to the day off I do think it’s selfish and parents with young children should be given priority.

Oh fuck off.
You choose a job with a risk of working Xmas day, then you have to do your bloody turn! Hmm

Segway16 · 11/11/2023 22:23

My employer wouldn’t expect anyone to work over Christmas, but I can’t imagine expecting someone to take my shift because I have children.

Segway16 · 11/11/2023 22:28

LaurieStrode · 11/11/2023 18:43

The person who has 100 percent choice in whether or not to a) accept the sperm in the first place and b) continue with a pregnancy is, yes, more accountable for the outcomes. I don't excuse rotten and feckless men but the fact is that they have zero say in whether or not a child is born into shitty, disadvantaged or poorly resourced circumstances.

As a woman, no one ever made me have a child against my will. I accept that with more power comes more responsibility and more accountability.

You’re an idiot. I’m glad life has happened to work out well for you, but it’s through luck and luck alone. No one goes into a relationship, marriage or whatever thinking they’ll end up a single parent.

LaurieStrode · 11/11/2023 22:52

Segway16 · 11/11/2023 22:28

You’re an idiot. I’m glad life has happened to work out well for you, but it’s through luck and luck alone. No one goes into a relationship, marriage or whatever thinking they’ll end up a single parent.

Oh, please. On Mumsnet alone there are hundreds of posts from people who
produced offspring by addicts, by immature half-hearted louts, by disinterested commitment-phobes, from one-night stands, from unemployed losers and in otherwise thoughtless, imprudent and irresponsible circumstances.

Employing one's uterus does not make one a saint, quite the reverse if one hasn't provided a decent situation for one's offspring to be born into.

We all are accountable for our reproductive choices and the resulting affect on the offspring and society at large.

Btw is "you're an idiot" allowed within the terms of service here?

fitzwilliamdarcy · 11/11/2023 22:57

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MrsMum9 · 11/11/2023 23:33

You’re all nuts. What kind of world do we live in that adults think they’re entitled to Christmas Day more than children. OP, you can absolutely have Christmas Day off because you’re not particularly close to your coworkers and don’t care if they spend it with their children or not (I genuinely mean that, they probably wouldn’t return the favour to you) but, adults don’t need Christmas as much as children and I’m bored of entitled, selfish people, generally. How many of you actually believe in the birth of Christ and go to church???

Redglitter · 11/11/2023 23:42

How many of you actually believe in the birth of Christ and go to church

Me. I'm also one of the selfish entitled people who will take Christmas Day off if is offered to me, regardless of the fact I have no children. I do however have a family & after a pretty shitty few months am very much looking forward to spending the day with them

stichguru · 11/11/2023 23:46

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If you bothered to read posts before you commented on them, you'd know that I was actually arguing that THIS is why parents shouldn't get any more Christmases off than anyone else.

MrsMum9 · 11/11/2023 23:54

I said it was wrong to say that Christmas Day is not primarily for children, not that adults shouldn’t have the day off. All these high maintenance adults out there!

LaurieStrode · 11/11/2023 23:56

MrsMum9 · 11/11/2023 23:33

You’re all nuts. What kind of world do we live in that adults think they’re entitled to Christmas Day more than children. OP, you can absolutely have Christmas Day off because you’re not particularly close to your coworkers and don’t care if they spend it with their children or not (I genuinely mean that, they probably wouldn’t return the favour to you) but, adults don’t need Christmas as much as children and I’m bored of entitled, selfish people, generally. How many of you actually believe in the birth of Christ and go to church???

I don't believe in god, jesus, mary, joseph or any of the other folklore. And guess what? Christmas Day is STILL the most important day of the year to me and all of the other adults in my family. We love the secular celebrations and have a lovely elegant, decadent and luxurious day. (there are four generations of us and only one child in the 4th generation, a two-year-old, and he doesn't figure at all in our plans or celebrations.)

Everyone is free to celebrate, or not, Christmas Day as they see fit. And not obliged to justify that to others who somehow think their way is more noble, superior, pious or other laudable.

If I want to lie in on Christmas Day watching "The Omen" and "The Exorcist," well, that is my prerogative.