To be sad at the lack of compassion

[Gifgirl]

Reading through some threads makes me so sad (and mad) sometimes.

Excluding teenagers from homes due to MH conditions, being cross about flags on stickers cos they are rainbows, encouraging your kids to not date someone cos they have a disability.. etc etc.

Acceptance and kindness is a wonderful thing and would make the world a much lovelier place.

Please encourage your kids to accept and include people even if they are different to you. We won't move on until this happens.

Moira is visiting London at the moment with Holly Lawford-Smith an awesome feminist from Melbourne.

The English woman you are referring to is Kellie Jay Keen. And the Vic Libs used Wikipedia which contains false information from articles that were again not quite correct to try to suspend her. Very disappointing to see an Australian political party not due their due diligence.

https://m.youtube.com/@KellieJayKeen

And you don’t have to agree with her on everything to gain knowledge and understanding from listening to her. But what is important is her live feeds where women and girls speak for themselves. The Australian events are also on her YouTube. Under the live videos I think.

This is a great article which includes some thoughts about kindness and the costs associated with it for women:

She/her/or/else | Victoria Smith | The Critic Magazine

@Helleofabore Thank you - yes, you're correct. My terminology is lacking! I meant a male who is transitioning/has transitioned to a female. Without the surgery. And yep, I was specifically referring to the Lia Thomas situation. That particular situation angers me greatly!

I completely understand what you're saying about missing people not places. It was probably more along those lines for me, too. But I've always been glad to come home to Australia whenever I travel. It's just a lot less 'complicated' down here - a bit backward, but in a good way (mostly!). Also, being at the arse end of the earth does make it feel a bit safer, considering what's going on in the rest of the world right now!

Thanks again for the discussion and research links - I'm not working at the moment, so I'll get my teeth into it! Enjoy your day/evening. 😀

@Helleofabore yes, that's who I was talking about. Couldn't think of her name!

Same - in my adult DDs peer groups there is only one who is fully signed up to the #bekind club. The rest are very much 'cool, but keep out of our single-sex spaces!'. All in their mid to late 20s.

millimole · 07/11/2023 23:24

I saw that Primark have seen sense and changed their changing rooms policy. Their previously policy was unisex changing rooms. I had the curtain opened on me by a man.”

I’ve been going into Primark stores since the first one opened and never seen unisex changing rooms 🤷‍♀️

Actually, having said that, I’ve never seen a man in the queue so maybe they are and I’ve just not noticed.

Three years ago I was in what I thought was the female changing rooms with someone and was waiting outside the cubicle on a bench in the changing room corridor. A man sat beside me supposedly waiting for their friend around the bend of the changing room corridor. But the man was in front of a cubicle where a woman was changing. And she had left a gap in the curtain as often happens as they don’t also close neatly.

He could see in and the reflection in her mirror. I jumped up and closed the curtain and checked my friends curtain. I also complained and was told that the policy was now inclusive so anyone at all could use the cubicles. There was absolutely no signage to say this.

I tried to complain to head office and have been robbed off repeatedly. Even after the Wandsworth incident.

All the Primark main changing rooms are unisex and still with curtains.

”…. that the policy was now inclusive so anyone at all could use the cubicles. There was absolutely no signage to say this.”

Ah, that explains it.

They wanted to have their cake and eat it, pretend to have female only changing rooms to their customers but have an "inclusive" policy.

Most major stores now have no single sex changing spaces including M&S. And many women are still completely unaware that these stores have made policy changes. I don't think many make the changes known.

I have tried to continue emailing Primark because the issue is that there is curtains still and they are not interested and will not escalate any dialogue about it. As I said, even after incidents have been reported.

Many teenage girls use those changing rooms and come out in various states of dress to show each other. I doubt that they are aware that they are no longer in a single sex space.

The customer service team attempted to portray my concerns as me being hateful when I all I did was talk about the man who sat beside me in front of a cubicle that was completely inadequately provisioned for the degree of privacy needed for a mixed sex changing space using very carefully chosen and neutral language. I mentioned that mixed sex changing spaces needed lockable floor to ceiling doors and the signage was needed to make any person aware that it was a mixed sex space.

Primark are most definitely not interested in listening to the complaints of women unless that complaint is publicised. There have now been numerous publicised incidents and all they seem to have done is say they are 'rolling out' more robustly closing curtains. This is years after my first email and I doubt I was the first.

Please may you link the one where someone has discouraged their DC from dating someone with a disability? Thats appalling