Trans/pride flag in children's stickers

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This was included in a pack of squishmallow stickers... why???
AIBU or is this totally wrong ??

This is not about homosexuality. This is about gender identity. The original rainbow flag was actually inclusive. The 'progress' flag is a symbol of a regressive, misogynist, homophobic movement. But I suspect you already know that

Men pretending to be women and trampling all over every female-only space, is not a sexuality.

Why do you persist in conflating sexuality with gender identity?

They are 2 entirely different things.

You say targeted. Others say taught

Yes I say targeted. Other opinions are obviously available.

.nothingconestibithing

But I suspect you already know that

No, because like the majority of women it just isn’t on my radar.

'The Rainbow flag award' is an initiative that most schools are now working towards, primary included.
They are being taught all about it. How do you think so many kids are starting high school, identifying as a variety of things?
I personally know a 9 year old who says she's bi, a 9 year old who says she's A sexual, a boy who has trans to being a girl in primary school and an 11 year old girl who says she's a they/them.
You'd have to have your head in the clouds to not see that this stuff is having a negative impact on kids.

catduckgoose · Today 11:57
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Men pretending to be women and trampling all over every female-only space, is not a sexuality”

You believe that every trans person is just pretending? You don’t think it’s far more nuanced than that for most?

I believe that feeling with all of your being that you were born into the wrong body must be hell on earth. Yes, there are no doubt people whose intentions are nothing but bad but I believe there are so many more who are just trying to peacefully live their lives and don’t want to hurt anyone, just like you and I.

I don’t understand the hate.

Did you miss the line attached to the photo where it says "presents primary schools with pride flags"?

Has anyone ever said those with a genuine gender dysphoria shouldn't be able to live their lives as authentically to them as a possible and free of hate?

Again, if you'd bother to read anything you'd see it's men in women's spaces that's the problem however they identify, and if they are harmful or not.

Of course they are pretending, that's the whole point, to try to mimic the opposite sex. And then using this as an excuse to ignore all boundaries we have around single-sex spaces.

What does 'born into the wrong body' even mean anyway? Would you tell a disabled child this?

Or how about this. Is this aimed at secondary school children? or do you think it's target age is younger, maybe primary school? Or nursery age?

The Rainbow flag award' is an initiative that most schools are now working towards, primary included.
They are being taught all about it. How do you think so many kids are starting high school, identifying as a variety of things?
I personally know a 9 year old who says she's bi, a 9 year old who says she's A sexual, a boy who has trans to being a girl in primary school and an 11 year old girl who says she's a they/them.
You'd have to have your head in the clouds to not see that this stuff is having a negative impact on kids

Alternatively, Fionaville, perhaps people are simply being allowed to explore who they believe they are? Unlike homosexuals who for years lived in misery because they weren’t allowed to be themselves?

I don’t believe my head is in the clouds. I’ve certainly not led a sheltered life. I do however have compassion for people who feel differently to me and don’t feel suspicious and negative towards mostly strangers I know nothing about by default. That would be a very miserable way to live.

Alternatively, @Fionaville , perhaps people are simply being allowed to explore who they believe they are? Unlike homosexuals who for years lived in repressed misery because they weren’t allowed to be themselves?

I don’t believe my head is in the clouds. I’ve certainly not led a sheltered life. I do however have compassion for people who feel differently to me and don’t feel suspicious and negative towards mostly strangers I know nothing about by default. That would be a very miserable way to live.”

(Sorry made a pig’s ear of posting, didn’t mean to do it twice!)

And since your children are no longer at school and haven't been for several years, what makes you think children are now hearing "both sides" or that they are being taught everything they need to know?

You have a bit of a fluffy idealised fantasy going on about how reasonable all this teaching must be. Put it this way - it's more reasonable in some places than others. It's not teachers producing the materials, it's external (often activist) suppliers. Yes, what kids are learning about about sexual orentiation is mostly harmless. But what they're learning about gender is not. It's being assumed that just like sexual orientation, gender identity can't be externally influenced - and this is proving to be false. You start teaching children that people can choose what gender they are, or that people can start off as one sex and grow up to be another (with a bit of help from the nice doctors) then you've opened Pandora's box.

The image is from gcn.ie who are very pro activism, the caption says primary school and the children look like top primary to me though that's a year older in Scotland (where I live) than in England and it may be so in Ireland too.

I don't personally care about one odd sticker. But it's interesting as a starting point, to see how little people still know and how much they still assume.

Alternatively, Fionaville, perhaps people are simply being allowed to explore who they believe they are? Unlike homosexuals who for years lived in misery because they weren’t allowed to be themselves?

Being homosexual has no bearing on anyone's rights. Being trans does, for women.

@MrsSkylerWhite what do you think the intentions were of the males who turned up to this event: https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/08/15/lesbian-speed-dating-is-not-for-men/

I’m sure there are articles to prove any point you care to on the internet. I’m sorry, I don’t know what spiked is and don’t click unknown links.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · Today 12:11

Alternatively, Fionaville, perhaps people are simply being allowed to explore who they believe they are? Unlike homosexuals who for years lived in misery because they weren’t allowed to be themselves?

Being homosexual has no bearing on anyone's rights. Being trans does, for women.”

So what’s the answer? Ban transpeople?

I’m sure there are articles to prove any point you care to on the internet. I’m sorry, I don’t know what spiked is and don’t click unknown links.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12401009/amp/Lesbian-speed-dating-event-sparks-transphobia-row-organisers-insist-adult-human-females-attend-popular-weekly-event.html

Perhaps you could engage with the point now I've posted an article from a national newspaper? Trans rights activism can be deeply homophobic.

Nope, just keep men out of women's spaces, prisons, sports, shelters, rape crisis centres and anywhere else women don't want men to be. Pretty simple.

If a man chooses to feel better wearing a dress, make up and heels and feels that makes him a women then all power to him. It doesn't, but if it doesn't impact anyone else negatively, then crack on.

@Newphony

Its a rainbow, a natural phenomenon caused by light and water and there’s a pot of gold at the end of it !!

Most of the time we don't need to ban anyone from anywhere at all, since we live in a mostly mixed-sex society. But when we really need to divide people up we do it by sex - women and transmen in one group, men and transwomen in another. And nonbinary people join the group that corresponds to their sex. There's a group for everyone.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · Today 12:18
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Nope, just keep men out of women's spaces, prisons, sports, shelters, rape crisis centres and anywhere else women don't want men to be. Pretty simple.
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If a man chooses to feel better wearing a dress, make up and heels and feels that makes him a women then all power to him. It doesn't, but if it doesn't impact anyone else negatively, then crack on”

Oh, I agree on those points and I think it would be very easy to put those safeguards in place if the political will were there. Private businesses could cater to everyone too but don’t particularly want to because it would cost a great deal and the number of trans people is so small.

I can’t agree on your second point though. I believe it’s far, far more complicated than a man putting on a dress to feel better. It’s that disdain towards and dismissal of someone’s experience that I don’t understand.
You don't see that “putting on a dress to feel better” is so insulting to some people?

These aren't 'people exploring who they think they are' They are young children who are being influenced! An 9 year old isn't A sexual. They are children who don't have a sexuality, because they are children. They confuse being bi sexual, with admiring boys and girls. Their bodies are starting to change and that is hard on them. They think they can opt out of these struggles and pressures by saying that they are non binary.
Things have actually gone backwards. We'd made great strides in telling girls that could like anything, things that were traditionally seen as being 'for boys' We didn't have to conform to gender. But now these girls think if they like those things they must be a boy or a they/them. Or maybe they identify as a cat!
Perhaps they are destined to be gay. But now if a girl likes girls, then she must be a transboy! It's completely homophobic!

Labelling children and encouraging it, is just plain wrong.

It's an admirable quality when people are presented with new evidence and are open to the possibility that they may not know everything and could be wrong. You said you didn't think kids would know what the progress flag is. You've been presented with well documented evidence that they are being taught it. It's not admirable to just dig your heels in.