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Trans/pride flag in children's stickers

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timeforacoffeebreak · 07/11/2023 10:09

This was included in a pack of squishmallow stickers... why???
AIBU or is this totally wrong ??

Trans/pride flag in children's stickers
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Tandora · 07/11/2023 15:09

ickky · 07/11/2023 15:06

It could be true. Did you read any of the Tribunal Tweets from the recent Jo Phoenix vs The OU?

The lecturers were batshit crazy, one of them stated the the majority of the whole world accepted that TWAW. Deluded.

I think a lot of Universities are fully TWAW so it would not surprise me in the least.

I think a lot of Universities are fully TWAW so it would not surprise me in the least.

and who do you think is collecting most of the evidence/ conducting most of the research? Yet people on this thread think and claim the majority body of evidence supports the (so-called) “gender critical” stance?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/11/2023 15:10

That biological sex exists and sometimes is significant? Yes the majority body of evidence does indeed support that.

Helleofabore · 07/11/2023 15:11

Tandora · 07/11/2023 15:00

I have not abused anyone.

It is you who keeps harassing me- I have no interest in communicating with you as you have a desire to make this personal and you are rude and abusive and like to swear a lot,

you are free to believe I am spreading harmful misinformation. I know that it is you , not me, who is doing so.

If I have provided no evidence, nothing to back my claims, you have no need to work so hard in trying to discredit them. People can read my posts and make up their own mind.

I like to swear a lot..... that is very funny! Well done. Yes, sometimes I do.

I am very happy to not ask you directly for your evidence again. However, every time you make that claim that you have evidence, it is not harassment to point out that you have not posted any evidence. Do you see how this works on a public forum?

I am very happy to address the misinformation that you feel I am spreading. Please tell me what I have posted that is misinformation. I will directly address it.

And you will find that you have been deleted for being abusive in this thread. I am sure that those readers who saw it will estimate your credibility based on what they saw and your accusations here which are personal attacks and not addressing your choice to not post evidence at all.

You have again resorted, as you have in the past, to making ad hominem attacks rather than addressing the issues raised and discussed.

Helleofabore · 07/11/2023 15:11

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/11/2023 15:10

That biological sex exists and sometimes is significant? Yes the majority body of evidence does indeed support that.

It most certainly does support that.

IAmAnIdiot123 · 07/11/2023 15:12

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/11/2023 14:50

Can't we? I've just painted a huge rainbow in my sons bedroom at his request. Must be a 4 year old secret TRA in his spare time. I don't know how I missed it, the warning signs were all there. He really likes rainbows.

Does he like pink, white and blue stripes too? It's not about the rainbow, but I think you know that. How about the Palestinian flag, or the Israeli flag, would he like those colours on his wall too?

He hasn't shown much interest I'm international politics yet.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/11/2023 15:15

Plenty of time for partisan groups to influence his thinking on a range of issues then @IAmAnIdiot123

Tandora · 07/11/2023 15:17

Helleofabore · 07/11/2023 15:11

I like to swear a lot..... that is very funny! Well done. Yes, sometimes I do.

I am very happy to not ask you directly for your evidence again. However, every time you make that claim that you have evidence, it is not harassment to point out that you have not posted any evidence. Do you see how this works on a public forum?

I am very happy to address the misinformation that you feel I am spreading. Please tell me what I have posted that is misinformation. I will directly address it.

And you will find that you have been deleted for being abusive in this thread. I am sure that those readers who saw it will estimate your credibility based on what they saw and your accusations here which are personal attacks and not addressing your choice to not post evidence at all.

You have again resorted, as you have in the past, to making ad hominem attacks rather than addressing the issues raised and discussed.

However, every time you make that claim that you have evidence, it is not harassment to point out that you have not posted any evidence

Yes you are free to do that, freedom of speech and all. Once again, I would just like to point out that it wasn’t me who was trying to bring in , “evoke” , a mysterious body of “evidence”. Somebody said to me that “the evidence” says I’m on the wrong side of history. I simply responded to correct that statement, as it is factually false. Of course you can come in and say that it does, and round in circles we can go. Calling each other abusive along the way. Or we could just move forward and engage in the debate in a more constructive manner.

I have not seen and have no idea why I have been deleted. I have been abusive to no one. I have no interest in engaging in ad hominem attacks. However, I will call transphobia , transphobia, and ignorance , ignorance.

Helleofabore · 07/11/2023 15:18

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/11/2023 15:08

Don’t worry it’s just swearing and name calling.

Heavens! Bring my smelling salts.

It is not name calling. It was 'I'd rather be rude than a fucking liar!'

You can see the rest of boiled posts. No name calling.

But.... BOILED SAID FUCKING! Oh no....... swearing on MN!

Tandora · 07/11/2023 15:20

Helleofabore · 07/11/2023 15:18

It is not name calling. It was 'I'd rather be rude than a fucking liar!'

You can see the rest of boiled posts. No name calling.

But.... BOILED SAID FUCKING! Oh no....... swearing on MN!

“a liar” is name calling. So yes, name calling and swearing.

HarrietSpying · 07/11/2023 15:20

Utterly grim. I’d burn the entire packet.

caringcarer · 07/11/2023 15:21

I'd just throw them away and replace with animal stickers.

Boiledbeetle · 07/11/2023 15:21

Helleofabore · 07/11/2023 15:18

It is not name calling. It was 'I'd rather be rude than a fucking liar!'

You can see the rest of boiled posts. No name calling.

But.... BOILED SAID FUCKING! Oh no....... swearing on MN!

I've given myself a stern talking to and told myself to fucking do better!

Bollocks that didn't bloody last long did it!

Boiledbeetle · 07/11/2023 15:23

Tandora · 07/11/2023 15:20

“a liar” is name calling. So yes, name calling and swearing.

I was quoting the late great Magdalen Berns! I wasn't name calling anyone!

Helleofabore · 07/11/2023 15:24

Tandora · 07/11/2023 15:20

“a liar” is name calling. So yes, name calling and swearing.

Name calling who? Boiled posted a quote from someone.

Tandora · 07/11/2023 15:25

Boiledbeetle · 07/11/2023 15:23

I was quoting the late great Magdalen Berns! I wasn't name calling anyone!

lol I know people on this thread don’t like context. But what was the reason you found it relevant to post this quote, in the context, would you say?

Tandora · 07/11/2023 15:26

Helleofabore · 07/11/2023 15:24

Name calling who? Boiled posted a quote from someone.

Again… can I interest anyone in some context?

ickky · 07/11/2023 15:27

Tandora · 07/11/2023 15:09

I think a lot of Universities are fully TWAW so it would not surprise me in the least.

and who do you think is collecting most of the evidence/ conducting most of the research? Yet people on this thread think and claim the majority body of evidence supports the (so-called) “gender critical” stance?

Maybe look at who is funding this research, it might give you a clue.

In the absence of any evidence for the GI stance, we can only draw conclusions from actual peer reviewed papers. Gender ideology peer reviewed papers are vanishing rare, unless of course you have some that you could share with us?

Boiledbeetle · 07/11/2023 15:28

Tandora · 07/11/2023 15:25

lol I know people on this thread don’t like context. But what was the reason you found it relevant to post this quote, in the context, would you say?

Supply us with some data to back up your assertions and I might supply you with the answer to this post.

Bingbangbollox · 07/11/2023 15:29

StaunchMomma · 07/11/2023 11:01

Kids won't even know what they mean.

You can't brainwash a child into being gay. Especially, I would argue, with stickers 😂

Maybe you could with glitter, though?

Helleofabore · 07/11/2023 15:30

Tandora · 07/11/2023 15:17

However, every time you make that claim that you have evidence, it is not harassment to point out that you have not posted any evidence

Yes you are free to do that, freedom of speech and all. Once again, I would just like to point out that it wasn’t me who was trying to bring in , “evoke” , a mysterious body of “evidence”. Somebody said to me that “the evidence” says I’m on the wrong side of history. I simply responded to correct that statement, as it is factually false. Of course you can come in and say that it does, and round in circles we can go. Calling each other abusive along the way. Or we could just move forward and engage in the debate in a more constructive manner.

I have not seen and have no idea why I have been deleted. I have been abusive to no one. I have no interest in engaging in ad hominem attacks. However, I will call transphobia , transphobia, and ignorance , ignorance.

Edited

Oh. I see. Well. I am sure readers will make up their own minds seeing how you interact with people who are merely disagreeing with you on a public forum on the internet.

Tandora · 07/11/2023 15:30

ickky · 07/11/2023 15:27

Maybe look at who is funding this research, it might give you a clue.

In the absence of any evidence for the GI stance, we can only draw conclusions from actual peer reviewed papers. Gender ideology peer reviewed papers are vanishing rare, unless of course you have some that you could share with us?

Prey Lord what are “gender ideology” papers 😭. There are many peer review publications on trans issues. Although , granted there is need for much much more research in this area, especially properly conducted medical trials. It’s one of the serious failings of the GIDS service that they haven’t produced more.

Tandora · 07/11/2023 15:30

Helleofabore · 07/11/2023 15:30

Oh. I see. Well. I am sure readers will make up their own minds seeing how you interact with people who are merely disagreeing with you on a public forum on the internet.

I’m glad we agree on something.

Tandora · 07/11/2023 15:33

Boiledbeetle · 07/11/2023 15:28

Supply us with some data to back up your assertions and I might supply you with the answer to this post.

Happily my question was, of course, entirely rhetorical as the answer is perfectly obvious.

Helleofabore · 07/11/2023 15:34

Tandora · 07/11/2023 15:26

Again… can I interest anyone in some context?

Edited

Yes. She was riffing of my words. You called me exceptionally rude. I said I would accept being called 'exceptionally rude'. She picked up on that.

This is what I said.

"So, I will take your 'exceptionally rude'. Because I would rather be exceptionally rude then spreading harmful misinformation about the treatment of children and adolescents."

You talk about context, that is the context.

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