Trans/pride flag in children's stickers

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This was included in a pack of squishmallow stickers... why???
AIBU or is this totally wrong ??

So in a nutshell the feelings of the girls who are forced to share with male children don't matter.

Given that feminism is about and for females, you are no feminist.

Thanks for clearing that up.

@Tandora I don't believe you have a PHD

You are exceptionally entitled, have you any idea how long that would take? Nobody is stopping you from reading and researching for yourself , as I did. I would love to post a link to my PhD where much evidence is compiled and presented but I obviously can’t for reasons of safety and anonymity.

I see a cat and a rainbow? My 7 year old loves rainbow colours.

I wouldn't have made this convection, I just see a kids thing.

there is no need for their to be a contradiction in upholding the rights of women and girls, and of trans people

the moment a man is in a place or space designated or designed for women, the rights of the women to that single sex spaces have been obliterated for the man

and the reason as you very well know that TW are the main focus of discussion rather than TM is that TM being female don’t pose a threat to men whereas TW who are men do in the same way that all men are potentially a threat. That’s why in certain circumstances we have women only spaces

but you know this

You don’t have to post a link to your PHd just a few links to the research you drew on to form your conclusions

This Julia Serrano? Not sure this is the exact take on misogyny you mean?

Transphobia (which is mostly directed at trans women) is routed in misogyny. Julia Serano’s book Whipping girl does an excellent job of breaking this down

Julia Serrano is male, and therefore has an unusual view on what makes one a woman.

Transwomen are all male. Their view of womanhood is not one I recognise.

Well, it depends on the topic. It might not be a phD that analyses the treatments for children and adolescents though. It might be some other topic.

Either way, I am looking forward to finally seeing the evidence that this poster has told us exists on numerous threads without producing something accessible or if it was accessible, relevant, and that those international bodies obviously didn't find that was convincing about the current treatment plans for children and adolescents. Which is hugely significant!

Because if international medical bodies with teams of qualified clinicians cannot find that research, then that is very concerning. And I am now pretty fucking pissed because we could have then submitted it for the puberty blocker consultation that just ended. That could have made a huge difference to state of health care for children and adolescents.

Tandora, if you've done a PhD you presumably know where the evidence is to be found that you referenced in your thesis. Please do share it. I know of no convincing proof to back up your claims, having done my own research. Gender identity ideology is a faith based ideology founded on magical thinking. Woman means an adult female human being, the existence of a group of men claiming to "feel" like women notwithstanding.

Stickers such as those would be going straight in the bin without the children even setting eyes on them.

I was not making any claims about force. I was making a point about affirmation and lack of exploration. Sadly the effect of affirmation is to convince many young people that transformation, whether socially, by hormones or even surgery will solve their problems. There is no need to force someone who wants to do it and believes it is the best thing for them to do. Even if their belief is false.

The wait to 18 serves only as an opportunity to embed the belief more deeply instead of being an opportunity to explore how the belief arose and alternative solutions.

Any therapy that is not wholly affirmative - including exploratory therapy which is often challenging - is being reframed as "conversion therapy".

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Unfortunately the rainbow/progress pride flag has now become politicised. To me it represents a toxic cultural war /playground spat which just degenerates into arrow slinging from both sides. I'm sick of it.

Where on earth is the 'misogyny' in thinking those without any -gyny should not be counted as women?

Transwomen have their own set of difficulties, none of which are to do with actually being female.

Yes, that Julia serano. I suggest reading her book, rather than pulling out decontextualised sensationalist quotes to demonise her.

It's not appropriate.

Julia Serano it will be a cold day in hell before I take lessons about misogyny from these males.

Julia Serrano is still male and has therefore a male take on womanhood. That's self-evident. It's not 'demonising' someone to know their sex.

Why not

What next, The Collected Thoughts of India Willoughby?

Shudder!

Well ( happily) since it wasn’t you who awarded it, what you believe regarding that point is of no consequence to me (or anyone else). So believe away.
Your beliefs about trans issues are much more problematic..

@Tandora

I don't know how you don't realise this is exactly what's happening & it has been for the last 5 years or so. Of course no one thinks it's being done cruelly but the fact is it is so pervasive & the logical conclusion to what is happening via adult activists & Stonewall.

Combined with homophobia still being very much alive, misogyny reaching new levels, the (deliberate?) linking of trans & autism issues & the self diagnosis of the latter in young people, the framing of ANYONE who questions any single aspect as a far right mouthpieces & the potential for social contagion to spread via social media has created a perfect storm around our young ppl.

I'm as liberal & bleeding-heart as they come but when this landed on my own doorstep I HAD to step back & take a proper look. Were I a different parent my son would now be on a pathway he shouldn't be rather than the happy gay boy he is. Not cos anyone was mean to him (he had good comebacks for the comments about his school skirt), they were kind, they were concerned & they were convinced he must be trans. In our house, being gay or anything at all is such a non-issue that he forgot he'd not actually told us!

And all this so what? Adult men can play dress-up & pretend to be something that they are not? Not because they are suffering but because they just feel like it & think wearing a woman makes you one in all senses? In our sports, accolades & spaces?

Someone who has been thru the hell of gender dysphoria where the only workable outcome for their wellbeing is surgery is still a man but goddamn I'll respect their journey & I'll use their pronouns. Provided they don't have a penis I'll likely welcome them into some of my spaces.

This is why I despise the 'progress' flag, as it is no such thing at all.

No Tandora. I am not exceptionally entitled. What a really bizarre thing to post.

You say you have this all accessible and it is easy to find. You are here abusing women who are calling out the concerns with your posts. I think readers can see that you have nothing to support your claims. If you did, you would start posting.

Just start. Just start with a few accessible study or paper that shows treatment is working for children and adolescent with gender dysphoria.

Yes. I would read your PhD. But I don't need to. I just need to see the accessible studies that you discuss. I am very happy to wait. I have now been waiting for months.

If you cannot support your claims, I suggest that you don't make claims you are not able or not willing to fully support with evidence that we can all read and stop fucking abusing women who disagree with you.

I fully believe Tandora has a PhD. I don't think it means what it used to.