Trans/pride flag in children's stickers

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This was included in a pack of squishmallow stickers... why???
AIBU or is this totally wrong ??

They never can.

Does it help, instead, for all young boys who might like pink things & do ballet to be gently coerced with kindness via their peers, social media, kids toys, cartoons & language policing into thinking they are trans? I mean, it cuts down on all the gays & bi/straight men who don't ascribe to gender norms amirite? I mean they MUST be trans cos being girly as boy is so embarrassing & shameful.

No of course not. That is abhorrent and wrong and no right minded person would argue otherwise.

@Mamasharp97

That article links to another article
which literally admits the studies it bases its findings on doesn't take sexuality into account which clearly has a big effect on onset and presentation.

But, the genetic and brain scan ideas are brilliant. Presumably, then, children and young people (and criminals, and those desperate to compete in wrong sex sports, et al) can just be tested. No mistakes, no fake trans in prisons, no detransitioners or cheating in sport. Fantastic. It will save lives everywhere!

That article won't even spell out 'sexual'

Someone said the evidence suggests I am on the wrong side of history. I merely responded that it does not.

There isn't a "wrong side" and a "right side" of history. History is just what happens as time passes. There's no moral teleology. It's possible for things to get worse as well as better. I would have thought someone with a PhD would grasp that.

Thanks so if it can be scientifically proven in your opinion, and for the record I side with Richard Dawkins on this, is there a test for trans gender?

Or is the fact that someone says they are a trans woman enough for you to believe that they are in fact scientifically female rather than male?

Could this be open to abuse do you think, what I mean by that is could some people get it wrong either deliberately or otherwise?

Out of interest the author of your article is not a scientist but rather :

Amanda Valentine Dela CruzAmanda Valentine is a transgender woman who has written about trans topics for over 10 years for My Transgender Date. She is an author who made it on Amazon’s best-seller list by writing 5 books on trans women’s relationships. Her book “Dating Transgender Women for Gentlemen” peaked at #3 in the Transgender Studies category on Amazon. She started writing at the age of 10 and won a poetry contest in 4th grade which convinced her to pursue a career in literature. Her personal experiences as a transgender woman give her a unique perspective on trans topics.

So I would hazard a guess that this is a piece of fiction rather than evidence that humans can change sex.

No They aren't.

Transwomen are MEN! If they were actually really women they wouldn't have the need to shove the trans at the front. The only reason the trans bit is there is because they are men.

Men who by saying the four magic words "I am a woman" with a beard and full cock and balls suddenly get access to spaces that as a man was off limits to them.

You may be perfectly happy for that man who you decide to believe is a woman to come into single sex spaces, but I'm not and you don't get to consent for women who day NO! They don't want man in their spaces.

And if your little girl struggles with puberty the answer is not to let her believe she can become a man, it's to tell her that puberty is shit, most kids hate it, It's a scary time but that she will come out the other sides of it in time just like every girl for millennia before her until the genderwoo infested everything with its ideological stance based on the worst of sex stereotypes.

I'm not clicking on your dubious link @Mamasharp97. I'm sure you understand it enough to summarise.

I knew you wouldn't engage because the rights of females just don't matter to you

lol. I am a feminist.

I didn’t engage with your question for reasons already stated.

Im happy to engage with anyone interested in a constructive debate.

What irreversible medical intervention did they receive?

Yes absolutely. Bring on the brain scans. I guarantee most of the people self identified as "trans" won't pass the test.

I think the point your missing here is that if that’s what needs to happen for my child to not live a life as something she’s not, to have reduced likelihood of suicide because she is being respected in her identity and not shamed and forced into living as someone she isn’t- to the point where she is willing to wait years to have an appointment with a GP and save up thousands of pounds for surgery to make her feel like she can live in her own skin, than absolutely 100% that’s what will happen. No one would be forcing anything, all decisions are hers to make.

Can you send me some information on how these children you’re talking about are being forced into changing gender? You make it sound like a very large percentage so I’m surprised I haven’t seen this in any police reports or on the news. Forcing medical intervention in any situation is highly illegal and consent is required- which is why trans identifying people have to wait until adulthood for their first pharmaceutical appointment

I'm glad you are happy to engage with anyone interested in a constructive debate.

Please explain how as a feminist you feel that a belief system which removes the rights of female children in schools to have single sex spaces benefits those female children.

You have stated that you believe trans rights are 'the right side of history* so I would appreciate, in the interest of constructive debate, your view on the impact on the rights of female children.

Particularly interested in the fact that trans rights means that male children who trans girls are claiming the right to -

Girls toilets
Girls changing rooms
Girls residential dormitories.
Girls sport.

Transwomen are men. No human on Earth has changed their skeletal structure ftom
the one on the left to the one on the right

they can present as ‘feminine’ as much as they like but it doesn’t change their biology. They’ll still need a prostate exam.

women are entitled to have single sex spaces away from biological males even if said males are wearing a sparkly top & high heels

which is why trans identifying people have to wait until adulthood for their first pharmaceutical appointment

You need to look up Helen Webberley and her husband and Gender GP.

Helen Joyce did say that those who had put their all into this ideology, with huge financial and academic investments in it and who had actually transitioned their children will be the last to admit what a horror show this all is.

So clearly evidenced by this thread.

Not one person has ever 'changed sex'. Not one.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10970283/amp/Doctor-gave-trans-child-hormones-without-explaining-fertility-effects-suspended-two-months.html

So clearly evidenced by this thread.

Indeed.

Yes you are being extremely unreasonable. It's a rainbow. Rainbows are popular with children. Pride also use a rainbow in their flag.
I don't see the issue

So, then you should have some very easy to access evidence all lined up then tandora, yes?

Please post it here. If you declare there is evidence, the onus is on you. So far, you have produced nothing that can be substantiated because it is either behind a paywall or doesn't say what you want it to say.

I am glad you have phd in the topic. You should now share your evidence after being asked on many threads now. Otherwise, it seems you know that you have nothing but want to make out that the evidence is clear. Just telling people that you are 'not their personal librarian' is just you telling all the readers on the thread that yet again, you cannot support your own arguments with any evidence that can be accessed and verified.

It is your choice. You can keep telling people to look it up with your ambiguous 'it is all out there'... or you can just post it. It is absolutely remarkable that so far the Interim cass report and a growing number of international medical bodies have now admitted there is not enough or only poor evidence about children and adolescent treatments for gender dysphoria.

I am very happy to post the statements of those medical bodies for readers to see.

Why should anyone trust you and frankly your now abusive posts calling posters transphobic, versus medical bodies who have the exact same access to the studies that you must have had for your Phd in the topic? Just because you say so?

I suggest you read the thread. It is about the flag on the cute animal.

My daughter told me she wanted to be a boy around 6 - 7 years old. I told her she would always be female, but didn't need to like pink, sparkles and all the stereotypical stuff girls are supposed to line.

All it was was her noticing these stereotypes, not wanting to be them and also starting to notice how boys were treated differently.

She is now a very happy "tomboy" with short hair.

I always swore I would never lie to my child and I didn't - I told her she could never be male.

Stop weaponising suicide. Even the Samaritans warn against doing this and the study that people always talk about for trans teen suicide proof has been debunked many many times.

I believe I asked if you had proven scientific evidence that male people with trans identities are not male.

Is this it? This is what you class as proven scientific evidence?

I don’t believe you are interested in a constructive debate, firstly for reasons already stated, secondly because you have already resorted to singling out and attacking me personally.

However, I will respond to a couple of points that I feel able to in the context of this discussion. Being trans is not a “belief system” it is an actual human experience.

there is no need for their to be a contradiction in upholding the rights of women and girls, and of trans people. (It is you who have framed the issue in this way, and I reject this framing wholeheartedly). In fact the two are mutually reinforcing. Transphobia (which is mostly directed at trans women) is routed in misogyny. Julia Serano’s book Whipping girl does an excellent job of breaking this down/
explaining how and why.

”…trans women are women. If my little girl is ‘struggling’ with puberty I’d do whatever it takes to help her find who she is and feel confident in her skin, including gender exploration”

@Mamasharp97 ALL girls struggle with puberty. Periods suck. Dealing with them is messy, uncomfortable, and expensive. Growing breasts sucks too, until you get used to them (but still mostly they’re annoying, and expensive in terms of comfy bras). Being shorter, slower and weaker than your male friends sucks. Being stared at and harassed by strangers sucks. All girls have to go through this unfortunately.

Girls who ‘struggle with puberty’ need to taught to accept that there are some things that they can’t change, and learn to love their changing bodies. Encouraging them into ‘gender exploration’ is conversion therapy. No child believes in transgender ideology until an adult introduces them to it. It is brainwashing.

If I had a daughter hating puberty and wishing she was a boy, I’d have a little chat with her about the clitoris and maybe give her a book to read on masturbation. When I was age 12, I could orgasm five times within 20 minutes. Never wanted to be a boy after I discovered that.

When I was a little kid I wanted to be able to fly and I really believed that if I tried hard enough I’d do it. I used to jump down huge flights of stairs. Mum told me not to be silly: that I cannot and never will be able to fly, and to stop jumping down the stairs because if I keep doing it I’ll get seriously hurt. I’m bloody glad she didn’t encourage me to explore my authentic flying self and go jump off a building 👀