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Trans/pride flag in children's stickers

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timeforacoffeebreak · 07/11/2023 10:09

This was included in a pack of squishmallow stickers... why???
AIBU or is this totally wrong ??

Trans/pride flag in children's stickers
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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 07/11/2023 13:37

If my little girl is ‘struggling’ with puberty I’d do whatever it takes to help her find who she is and feel confident in her skin, including gender exploration

As many mothers have learned to their cost, "gender exploration" is easier said than done. What your daughter may get instead is "gender affirmation" - meaning that whatever your daughter says she is, that is what she truly is. Even if she is a child, even if she has other reasons for struggling with puberty. As you put it so neatly yourself "trans women are women" and there are plenty of people who will decide for you that your daughter is a boy and had better become one physically as soon as possible.

And here we are, fighting to replace "gender affirmation" with "gender exploration" without being accused of "conversion therapy".

wensleywhale · 07/11/2023 13:37

How many minutes does it take then?

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 07/11/2023 13:37

wensleywhale · 07/11/2023 11:23

Why does the pride/progress/whatever the fuck flag need to include BAME people?

Pride was about people not being discriminated against because of their sexuality.

Whats being black got to do with that?

The black and brown bit is a human shield. There isn't a genuinely worthy minority cause that isn't bandwagoned by the T. However, black and brown women speaking about issues like FGM are quickly told to STFU about their genital privilege.

Mamasharp97 · 07/11/2023 13:37

itsfinallytime · 07/11/2023 13:27

Help me with this, how are trans women NOT males?

Do you think that they change sex? At what point does this happen? When they say they 'feel like a woman' or put women's clothes or lipstick on? Or something else?

I'm just wondering if you are confused because human beings cannot change sex no matter how much they wish it to be true.

For someone asking for help to understand something, that was a very closed statement. Pretty clear you want to fight and keep your opinion, not learn and expand your ideas.

Tandora · 07/11/2023 13:37

AlisonDonut · 07/11/2023 13:31

GIDS at Tavistock has not closed down.

The closing down and opening of new clinics have been put on hold.

Meanwhile some of the 'medics' who did work there have set up their own private clinic, giving out Puberty Blockers and Cross Sex Hormones, which are being prescribed by a nurse with the authority to do so. To speed up the process of child sterilisation. Because the GIDS closing and opening up of new clinics has resulted in thousands of kids on waiting lists. [GenderPlus they call themselves]

The second issue with all of this is that the children who have already been pushed through the system were analysed by Hannah Barnes, with a high proportion of kids who were either gay, lesbian, autistic or both, or who have had high levels of sexual abuse, or who are in care or, the most shocking, who have parents who are 10 times as likely to be sex offenders. [Read Time to Think by Hannah Barnes if you aren't up to speed on this @Tandora ]

Shouting at people who say that parents should not be 'transing the gay away', or 'transing autistic kids' and calling them 'transphobic' as a means to shut them down, and it is not working. Because if we have to be called 'transphobes' to be against kids being sterilised and put on paths to mutilation, then who really cares what we are called?

Sticking TRANS stickers in Kids stickers is pretty much the same as when Mermaids used to go to PRIDE events, with sweets and puppies to attract the kids. For info, Susie Green the ex CEO of Mermaids is the one who put her son on puberty blockers bought from the USA, and who took him to Thailand to have his [now tiny] penis removed and a fake vagina made for him, all because his dad didn't want a gay son.

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*GIDS at Tavistock has not closed down.

The closing down and opening of new clinics have been put on hold*

you really don’t need to mansplain this to me. There is a (long process) underway for reforming: restructuring NHS services for children experiencing issues with gender. I know people working on it.

wensleywhale · 07/11/2023 13:38

Human shield really hits the nail on the head.

Wtf is genital privilege?

itsfinallytime · 07/11/2023 13:41

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Lol @Tandora ,

Women's rights and the rights of our daughters to single sex spaces in schools is not just a 'load of transphobic incoherence'.

I knew you wouldn't engage because the rights of females just don't matter to you.

And as for incoherent I haven't posted anything about 'wining about being women or some such'.

And as you know threads evolve. You have been talking about 'the right side of history'. If you are so confident that that's what your movement stands for you wouldn't avoid reasonable questions.

justteanbiscuits · 07/11/2023 13:42

Where have women who have suffered FGM been told they have "genital privilege"? Very often, the same surgeons who are expert in helping victims of FGM are experts in MTF genital surgery.

TheCadoganArms · 07/11/2023 13:42

Hereforthebunfights · 07/11/2023 13:20

I am assuming that the poster was referring to a few years ago rather then the good old gay bashing 70s/80s.

Aw, bless you for thinking homophobia is over.

Where did I say it was over? Like racism there will be ongoing battles to fight in some quarters but it is a fact though that public attitudes with regards to acceptance of the LGB community is light years ahead of what is was a couple of decades ago.

Tandora · 07/11/2023 13:43

AlisonDonut · 07/11/2023 13:31

GIDS at Tavistock has not closed down.

The closing down and opening of new clinics have been put on hold.

Meanwhile some of the 'medics' who did work there have set up their own private clinic, giving out Puberty Blockers and Cross Sex Hormones, which are being prescribed by a nurse with the authority to do so. To speed up the process of child sterilisation. Because the GIDS closing and opening up of new clinics has resulted in thousands of kids on waiting lists. [GenderPlus they call themselves]

The second issue with all of this is that the children who have already been pushed through the system were analysed by Hannah Barnes, with a high proportion of kids who were either gay, lesbian, autistic or both, or who have had high levels of sexual abuse, or who are in care or, the most shocking, who have parents who are 10 times as likely to be sex offenders. [Read Time to Think by Hannah Barnes if you aren't up to speed on this @Tandora ]

Shouting at people who say that parents should not be 'transing the gay away', or 'transing autistic kids' and calling them 'transphobic' as a means to shut them down, and it is not working. Because if we have to be called 'transphobes' to be against kids being sterilised and put on paths to mutilation, then who really cares what we are called?

Sticking TRANS stickers in Kids stickers is pretty much the same as when Mermaids used to go to PRIDE events, with sweets and puppies to attract the kids. For info, Susie Green the ex CEO of Mermaids is the one who put her son on puberty blockers bought from the USA, and who took him to Thailand to have his [now tiny] penis removed and a fake vagina made for him, all because his dad didn't want a gay son.

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And what really isn’t working is shouting sterilizing children and mutilation at people who are trying to provide health services to improve the lives trans people.

itsfinallytime · 07/11/2023 13:44

Mamasharp97 · 07/11/2023 13:37

For someone asking for help to understand something, that was a very closed statement. Pretty clear you want to fight and keep your opinion, not learn and expand your ideas.

So how do they change sex and become not male?

I'm open to your answers. In fact I'm intrigued...

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 07/11/2023 13:44

wensleywhale · 07/11/2023 13:38

Human shield really hits the nail on the head.

Wtf is genital privilege?

They have female genitals that can be lopped off. TW see this as a privilege, and ask women who have suffered this procedure not to talk about it, because it triggers them.

Mamasharp97 · 07/11/2023 13:45

itsfinallytime · 07/11/2023 13:27

Help me with this, how are trans women NOT males?

Do you think that they change sex? At what point does this happen? When they say they 'feel like a woman' or put women's clothes or lipstick on? Or something else?

I'm just wondering if you are confused because human beings cannot change sex no matter how much they wish it to be true.

If you genuinely want to learn and be educated on how trans women are in fact women and not men, here is a wonderful article for you to read about the genetic links in transgenderism

https://mytransgenderdate.com/blog/2020/10/the-science-behind-transgender

The science behind Transgender - My Transgender Blog

What causes Transgenderism? In today’s topic, we’re going to discuss the science behind transgender people and transgenderism.

https://mytransgenderdate.com/blog/2020/10/the-science-behind-transgender

wensleywhale · 07/11/2023 13:45

@Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar wow that's ridiculous

wensleywhale · 07/11/2023 13:46

@Mamasharp97 you're brainwashed and haven't applied any critical thinking to the ideology you've wholly swallowed

Tandora · 07/11/2023 13:46

Helleofabore · 07/11/2023 13:27

ahh... you have finally found some evidence then? About the treatments for children and adolescents?

Can you please post it for us all to see? Because I recall your continued posts about people being ignorant and you had absolutely nothing to back up your own statements.

Looking forward to it. I am sure many on this thread are also looking forward to you finally posting that robust evidence you keep talking about.

I have a PhD in the subject. If you would like to do some reading into the academic research and science you are very welcome to. I am not your personal Librarian. Someone said the evidence suggests I am on the wrong side of history. I merely responded that it does not.

baileybrosbuildingandloan · 07/11/2023 13:46

JazbayGrapes · 07/11/2023 10:21

You spelt 'kind and compassionate' wrong.

Then be kind and compassionate with women and children. Al this "inclusivity" virtue signalling has gotten out of hand.

The Trans community don't stop me being a woman. Been one for 61 years now.
Never been attacked by a trans woman. Never been sexually assaulted by a trans woman. Never had to change anything about where I walk or go because of a trans woman. Never had to repair my life after financial ruin by a trans woman.
Have had to do all these because of men.
Your trans hate is ugly. If you don't approve, just don't engage. Leave people alone. I don't approve of many things that don't affect me so I leave it alone and don't engage.
Have felt this way about the trans community since meeting my first trans woman in 1979 on a bus in London. So don't try and tell me I'm brainwashed either.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 07/11/2023 13:46

Mamasharp97 · 07/11/2023 13:37

For someone asking for help to understand something, that was a very closed statement. Pretty clear you want to fight and keep your opinion, not learn and expand your ideas.

She understands perfectly

she wants you to tell her how transwomen are NOT males

RufustheFactualReindeer · 07/11/2023 13:48

And i have refreshed and seen that you can’t answer the question

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/11/2023 13:48

If you genuinely want to learn and be educated on how trans women are in fact women and not men, here is a wonderful article for you to read about the genetic links in transgenderism

Right. You do realise that a "trans woman" is any male who declares at any time that he is a woman? The genetics of the matter is that they are not female, like women. They are males, and the word for an adult male human is not "woman".

StephanieSuperpowers · 07/11/2023 13:49

Never been attacked by a trans woman. Never been sexually assaulted by a trans woman. Never had to change anything about where I walk or go because of a trans woman. Never had to repair my life after financial ruin by a trans woman.
Have had to do all these because of men.

Oh dear. I mean, I hate to be the one to tell you...

Caerulea · 07/11/2023 13:50

@Tandora

And what really isn’t working is shouting sterilizing children and mutilation at people who are trying to provide health services to improve the lives trans people.

Does it help, instead, for all young boys who might like pink things & do ballet to be gently coerced with kindness via their peers, social media, kids toys, cartoons & language policing into thinking they are trans? I mean, it cuts down on all the gays & bi/straight men who don't ascribe to gender norms amirite? I mean they MUST be trans cos being girly as boy is so embarrassing & shameful.

Silver-lining and all that.

Do you actually know what's happening with our kids?

Howtonamechange · 07/11/2023 13:51

timeforacoffeebreak · 07/11/2023 10:09

This was included in a pack of squishmallow stickers... why???
AIBU or is this totally wrong ??

I agree with you.

Completely unnecessary and symptomatic of the insidious nature of this cancer pushing itself onto our kids.

Let kids be kids. No need to normalise and push this depraved agenda on them.

Mamasharp97 · 07/11/2023 13:53

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/11/2023 13:48

If you genuinely want to learn and be educated on how trans women are in fact women and not men, here is a wonderful article for you to read about the genetic links in transgenderism

Right. You do realise that a "trans woman" is any male who declares at any time that he is a woman? The genetics of the matter is that they are not female, like women. They are males, and the word for an adult male human is not "woman".

read the article https://mytransgenderdate.com/blog/2020/10/the-science-behind-transgender

The science behind Transgender - My Transgender Blog

What causes Transgenderism? In today’s topic, we’re going to discuss the science behind transgender people and transgenderism.

https://mytransgenderdate.com/blog/2020/10/the-science-behind-transgender

Helleofabore · 07/11/2023 13:54

justteanbiscuits · 07/11/2023 13:36

No child is being given irreversible medical intervention after a 45 minute consultation in the UK.

Yeah. You could be right. I think it took that UK journalist who did the expose GenderGP two zoom sessions and an email from their 20 year old half brother.

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