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Trans/pride flag in children's stickers

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timeforacoffeebreak · 07/11/2023 10:09

This was included in a pack of squishmallow stickers... why???
AIBU or is this totally wrong ??

Trans/pride flag in children's stickers
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Caerulea · 07/11/2023 13:14

RavingStone · 07/11/2023 13:08

You are not unreasonable.

I am bringing my children up with as few gender stereotypes as is possible in this society. I never assume they will end up partnered with the opposite sex; gay relationships and families are normal to them. I teach them about misogyny, homophobia, classism, ableism and racism from an early age. Easy because of my life, my work and our very mixed area providing plenty of real life scenarios.

I find trans ideology is against me every step of the way. I will not teach them that they have to speak an inaccessible academic language. I will not teach them that correct body terms are offensive or that it is offensive when they are (frequently) mistaken for the opposite sex. I will not teach them it's ok to lie or override safeguarding for a special section of society. I will not teach them that homosexuality doesn't exist or that women could be free from physical and structural inequality if only they chose to take testosterone and cut their hair and breasts off.

Yeah, fuck that.

Did I write this?

Maray1967 · 07/11/2023 13:14

itsfinallytime · 07/11/2023 10:24

I agree that the trans flag has come to symbolise an anti woman political position. It has no place in children's marketing.

Not wanting children to be politicised has nothing to do with hating trans people.

Are we seriously asking our children to 'be kind' even when we know it harms children, especially female ones?

Well said.

Mamasharp97 · 07/11/2023 13:17

What scares you? That your child will experience a more accepting and open world where they can express who they are freely without ridicule, shame, guilt? It’s like saying that children shouldn’t be exposed to stereotypical gender roles and be educated about misogyny. Both groups are oppressed just one fought for equality earlier.

Tandora · 07/11/2023 13:19

Caerulea · 07/11/2023 13:12

Being gay was never & is not now a mental health issue. Suffering (suffering!) from actual gender dysphoria IS a mental health issue that can present alongside or as a result of other issues & difficulties. As such it requires thorough, considerate & thoughtful treatment.

It does the movement a great disservice to pretend otherwise & it's incredibly disrespectful to compare it to being gay which is as hard-wired as being straight.

Being gay used to be defined as a mental health issue -it is now recognised how harmful and wrong that was.

being trans used to be defined as a mental health issue- it is now recognised by most scientists and health professionals (as well as the trans community of course) that that was similarly harmful and wrong,

Experiencing Gender dysphoria (gender related distress) - is not the same as being trans, although it can be , of course , related. There is a huge debate as to whether it should be classified as a mental health disorder or not.

it's incredibly disrespectful to compare it to being gay which is as hard-wired as being straight.
what makes you claim that being gay is “hard wired” but being trans isn’t?

TastesLikeStrawberriesOnASummerEvening · 07/11/2023 13:19

Mamasharp97 · 07/11/2023 13:17

What scares you? That your child will experience a more accepting and open world where they can express who they are freely without ridicule, shame, guilt? It’s like saying that children shouldn’t be exposed to stereotypical gender roles and be educated about misogyny. Both groups are oppressed just one fought for equality earlier.

I wouldn't want my child to accept males into her safe spaces, or to be told she's perhaps not a girl if she's struggling with puberty.
Why would you?

Hereforthebunfights · 07/11/2023 13:20

I am assuming that the poster was referring to a few years ago rather then the good old gay bashing 70s/80s.

Aw, bless you for thinking homophobia is over.

itsfinallytime · 07/11/2023 13:20

@Tandora I'm beginning to think you don't care about female children, prove me wrong, answer my questions from earlier in the thread.

Why doesn't the 'be kind' 'right side of history' movement care about the fact that female children are being forced to give up single sex toilets, changing rooms and other single sex spaces like dormitories on residentials, and sports because some male children identify as trans? Why doesn't the dignity and safety of female children matter to your movement?

What solution does 'the right side of history' give to female children who don't want to or can't share with males who identify as girls?

What solution does it give to girls who want to excel at sports and don't want to compete against male children?

I would really appreciate your response to this because it's rich to imply that concerned mothers of girls are bigots whilst failing to address reasonable concerns.

TastesLikeStrawberriesOnASummerEvening · 07/11/2023 13:23

Hereforthebunfights · 07/11/2023 13:20

I am assuming that the poster was referring to a few years ago rather then the good old gay bashing 70s/80s.

Aw, bless you for thinking homophobia is over.

Now it's coming from inside the house.

Mamasharp97 · 07/11/2023 13:25

TastesLikeStrawberriesOnASummerEvening · 07/11/2023 13:19

I wouldn't want my child to accept males into her safe spaces, or to be told she's perhaps not a girl if she's struggling with puberty.
Why would you?

your comment is ignorant because they aren’t males, trans women are women. If my little girl is ‘struggling’ with puberty I’d do whatever it takes to help her find who she is and feel confident in her skin, including gender exploration

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 07/11/2023 13:25

What scares you? That your child will experience a more accepting and open world where they can express who they are freely without ridicule, shame, guilt?

How much fear of other people's ridicule, shame and guilt is your own fertility worth? Or even being able to pee without pain?

I'm scared that my child will experience a world that is open and accepting of them doing something stupid and destructive to themselves and that will subject them to ridicule, shame and guilt if they try to call it for what it is.

StephanieSuperpowers · 07/11/2023 13:26

It really saddens me, to be honest. I was sure, when I was a young woman, that things would be better for my daughters. But they're not, they're worse and worst of all, some women are making it happen.

itsfinallytime · 07/11/2023 13:27

Mamasharp97 · 07/11/2023 13:25

your comment is ignorant because they aren’t males, trans women are women. If my little girl is ‘struggling’ with puberty I’d do whatever it takes to help her find who she is and feel confident in her skin, including gender exploration

Help me with this, how are trans women NOT males?

Do you think that they change sex? At what point does this happen? When they say they 'feel like a woman' or put women's clothes or lipstick on? Or something else?

I'm just wondering if you are confused because human beings cannot change sex no matter how much they wish it to be true.

StephanieSuperpowers · 07/11/2023 13:27

Mamasharp97 · 07/11/2023 13:25

your comment is ignorant because they aren’t males, trans women are women. If my little girl is ‘struggling’ with puberty I’d do whatever it takes to help her find who she is and feel confident in her skin, including gender exploration

Fingers crossed she's the only girl who has ever, or will ever, live who doesn't struggle with puberty then, if you're going to use that as a reason to trans her.

Helleofabore · 07/11/2023 13:27

Tandora · 07/11/2023 12:15

Evidence suggests you're completely wrong

Um no it really doesn't.
The Tavistock was a terrible service and is being dissolved. We can only wait to see what replaces it, but I don't have hopes it will be much better, because people are far more interested in their own narrow pre-judgements than they are in evidence.

ahh... you have finally found some evidence then? About the treatments for children and adolescents?

Can you please post it for us all to see? Because I recall your continued posts about people being ignorant and you had absolutely nothing to back up your own statements.

Looking forward to it. I am sure many on this thread are also looking forward to you finally posting that robust evidence you keep talking about.

TheCadoganArms · 07/11/2023 13:28

Mamasharp97 · 07/11/2023 13:17

What scares you? That your child will experience a more accepting and open world where they can express who they are freely without ridicule, shame, guilt? It’s like saying that children shouldn’t be exposed to stereotypical gender roles and be educated about misogyny. Both groups are oppressed just one fought for equality earlier.

Bit of a strawman here (cis strawperson pronoun: he/she?)

Nobody is saying children should not experience a more accepting and open world where they can express who they are freely without ridicule, shame, guilt. People are however very wary of an ideology that labels kids who are non gender conforming as ‘trans’ and that they should be non consensually marshalled down an irreversible path of medical invention off the back of a single 45 minute consultation with a non impartial ‘gender affirming’ consultant while ignoring the fact that said child might be nurodiverse or thought that last week they were a power ranger.

wensleywhale · 07/11/2023 13:28

Mamasharp97 · 07/11/2023 13:17

What scares you? That your child will experience a more accepting and open world where they can express who they are freely without ridicule, shame, guilt? It’s like saying that children shouldn’t be exposed to stereotypical gender roles and be educated about misogyny. Both groups are oppressed just one fought for equality earlier.

Mamafool97

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 07/11/2023 13:29

your comment is ignorant because they aren’t males, trans women are women. If my little girl is ‘struggling’ with puberty I’d do whatever it takes to help her find who she is and feel confident in her skin, including gender exploration

Accusing another poster of ignorance then going on to say trans women are women. They aren't, they are biological males as if they weren't 'trans' wouldn't exist.

Live in your own emperor's new clothes pseudo reality world all you like, just don't force it on others and don't throw away their rights for them.

TastesLikeStrawberriesOnASummerEvening · 07/11/2023 13:30

Mamasharp97 · 07/11/2023 13:25

your comment is ignorant because they aren’t males, trans women are women. If my little girl is ‘struggling’ with puberty I’d do whatever it takes to help her find who she is and feel confident in her skin, including gender exploration

Women don't have a penis.
.
If being, "on the right side of history", means supporting men committing indecent exposure around my daughter, then I'm happy to not be on it.

Why do you want yours to see a penis in the women's changing rooms?

AlisonDonut · 07/11/2023 13:31

GIDS at Tavistock has not closed down.

The closing down and opening of new clinics have been put on hold.

Meanwhile some of the 'medics' who did work there have set up their own private clinic, giving out Puberty Blockers and Cross Sex Hormones, which are being prescribed by a nurse with the authority to do so. To speed up the process of child sterilisation. Because the GIDS closing and opening up of new clinics has resulted in thousands of kids on waiting lists. [GenderPlus they call themselves]

The second issue with all of this is that the children who have already been pushed through the system were analysed by Hannah Barnes, with a high proportion of kids who were either gay, lesbian, autistic or both, or who have had high levels of sexual abuse, or who are in care or, the most shocking, who have parents who are 10 times as likely to be sex offenders. [Read Time to Think by Hannah Barnes if you aren't up to speed on this @Tandora ]

Shouting at people who say that parents should not be 'transing the gay away', or 'transing autistic kids' and calling them 'transphobic' as a means to shut them down, and it is not working. Because if we have to be called 'transphobes' to be against kids being sterilised and put on paths to mutilation, then who really cares what we are called?

Sticking TRANS stickers in Kids stickers is pretty much the same as when Mermaids used to go to PRIDE events, with sweets and puppies to attract the kids. For info, Susie Green the ex CEO of Mermaids is the one who put her son on puberty blockers bought from the USA, and who took him to Thailand to have his [now tiny] penis removed and a fake vagina made for him, all because his dad didn't want a gay son.

Flimpychunk · 07/11/2023 13:31

Yanbu

Helleofabore · 07/11/2023 13:32

Mamasharp97 · 07/11/2023 13:25

your comment is ignorant because they aren’t males, trans women are women. If my little girl is ‘struggling’ with puberty I’d do whatever it takes to help her find who she is and feel confident in her skin, including gender exploration

Could you also please post the evidence to support your statement here that people can change sex so that males who call themselves 'transgender' are no longer male people?

Because there seems to be quite a lot of misinformation being posted on this thread and that is indeed very harmful to children and adolescents.

Do you have any?

AlisonDonut · 07/11/2023 13:33

Mamasharp97 · 07/11/2023 13:25

your comment is ignorant because they aren’t males, trans women are women. If my little girl is ‘struggling’ with puberty I’d do whatever it takes to help her find who she is and feel confident in her skin, including gender exploration

If trans women are women, then which one of these teens is a man in his 50s? I just cannot work it out. Can you help?

Trans/pride flag in children's stickers
RinklyRomaine · 07/11/2023 13:34

AlisonDonut · 07/11/2023 13:31

GIDS at Tavistock has not closed down.

The closing down and opening of new clinics have been put on hold.

Meanwhile some of the 'medics' who did work there have set up their own private clinic, giving out Puberty Blockers and Cross Sex Hormones, which are being prescribed by a nurse with the authority to do so. To speed up the process of child sterilisation. Because the GIDS closing and opening up of new clinics has resulted in thousands of kids on waiting lists. [GenderPlus they call themselves]

The second issue with all of this is that the children who have already been pushed through the system were analysed by Hannah Barnes, with a high proportion of kids who were either gay, lesbian, autistic or both, or who have had high levels of sexual abuse, or who are in care or, the most shocking, who have parents who are 10 times as likely to be sex offenders. [Read Time to Think by Hannah Barnes if you aren't up to speed on this @Tandora ]

Shouting at people who say that parents should not be 'transing the gay away', or 'transing autistic kids' and calling them 'transphobic' as a means to shut them down, and it is not working. Because if we have to be called 'transphobes' to be against kids being sterilised and put on paths to mutilation, then who really cares what we are called?

Sticking TRANS stickers in Kids stickers is pretty much the same as when Mermaids used to go to PRIDE events, with sweets and puppies to attract the kids. For info, Susie Green the ex CEO of Mermaids is the one who put her son on puberty blockers bought from the USA, and who took him to Thailand to have his [now tiny] penis removed and a fake vagina made for him, all because his dad didn't want a gay son.

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Indeed. There is an extremely good reason Mermaids have run away from Twitter / X, where the grown ups would not stop pointing that out; and are now concentrating on TikTok, where that awful Irish frankendoctor advertises her uninsured 'yeet the teets' butchery to American minors.

Tandora · 07/11/2023 13:36

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justteanbiscuits · 07/11/2023 13:36

TheCadoganArms · 07/11/2023 13:28

Bit of a strawman here (cis strawperson pronoun: he/she?)

Nobody is saying children should not experience a more accepting and open world where they can express who they are freely without ridicule, shame, guilt. People are however very wary of an ideology that labels kids who are non gender conforming as ‘trans’ and that they should be non consensually marshalled down an irreversible path of medical invention off the back of a single 45 minute consultation with a non impartial ‘gender affirming’ consultant while ignoring the fact that said child might be nurodiverse or thought that last week they were a power ranger.

No child is being given irreversible medical intervention after a 45 minute consultation in the UK.

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