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Making DD do housework

109 replies

AIBUmum2023 · 07/11/2023 02:15

So my DD disengaged from education at 16. The country we live in has mandatory education up to 18, and there was a lot of active input to try to get her back to school. My GP said to me that I need to make it so that either education or employment is better than being at home!

Right now, she can’t keep her bedroom tidy, we live in a relatively new house and she’s had mould growing on the (internal) walls and the inside of the windows (which I had to clean as she refused and at the end of the day, it’s my house that is being ruined). She doesn’t put rubbish in the bin, she doesn’t put clothes in for washing, she never changes her bed sheets, she doesn’t brush her teeth, she doesn’t shower. She says she can’t get a job or do a college course because she has anxiety, for which she is medicated, when she bothers to take the medication and she literally spends all day (and night) in her room, watching films, chatting to her friends or trying on outfits and doing make up.

A couple of months ago, I told her that I would take her devices away until her room was clean and she snuck out of the house, sent a text that she was in a “safe” place, said she didn’t feel safe at home and went off for a week, where we didn’t know where she was, so we left her to her own devices. She returned home, said that she owned her devices and that if we took them off her, then she would call the police as that’s theft. To which I said that we (her dad and I) paid for her SIM card, bought her the phone and laptop, paid for everything for her, including her clothes and the broadband she uses, and should we be calling the police for her essentially stealing our SIM card and broadband? I said this to show her how ridiculous she was being.

Since then, I’ve managed to get her to change her bed sheets once, help me change my bed and launder my bedlinens twice and she’s also done her brother’s bedding once (he works a 40 hour week, which would be 42.5 hours but he gets a 30 minute meal break, and he works shifts. He also pays keep, as we pay for everything for him, except his smokes and clothes). She averages once a week for vacuuming common areas and mopping floors. Twice a month for cleaning her bathroom. The only thing I absolutely insist she does is hanging out the washing to dry, emptying and refilling the dishwasher, feeding the cats twice a day, and cleaning the litter boxes.

Last week, she said she was going to stay the night with her friend - she came back late Monday night after a week away. She then asked why neither DH or I had contacted her and DH said that we had been here and she should have contacted us to let us know she was staying away so long. She did phone me on her way home, saying she had missed me and could I collect her from the train station! DH went.

She can’t cook, even though I try to get her to help me in the kitchen and she says that she has an eating disorder, which the psychologist she has started seeing for her anxiety, told her that she has. A couple of years ago, she was seeing a counsellor about her refusal to go to school, and at that time, she came home saying that the counsellor (who isn’t allowed to diagnose anything due to only having a 1 year certificate from college) said that she had PTSD and ADHD (which she has never been diagnosed with, and that no one else has said either). She is having an assessment done to see if she has an eating disorder.

She has gone through a stage where she refused to eat with the family, but then I caught her eating late at night (think 2 am) and also eating lots of junk food (getting her friends to order her Uber eats in the middle of the night), but she will tell the GP, for example, that she doesn’t eat as she’s not hungry, and has no appetite.

There is no bullying or anything in her past, in fact she was a very popular girl with lots of friends and she did very well at school, although to hear her now, she can’t add up 2+2, doesn’t know how many grams in kilo, etc., etc., and I told DH that I think she has weaponised incompetence because things she could perfectly well, she will now say that she can’t do, and never has been able to do.

Anyway, this morning (Tuesday, I’m a lot ahead of the UK), she comes and says to me that she thought that everything would fall apart without her here as she’s the glue that holds the family and house together. To which I just stared at her, in disbelief and shook my head!

Both DH and I have refused to give her money, or buy clothes, makeup, hair dye etc., for her, and we’ve said she either goes back to her job (which was a casual job but she was being trained in lots of different areas, such as cashing up, etc., and didn’t have to restock shelves or anything like that, so not strenuous), finds another full time job, or goes back to education and gets a qualification (if you drop out of school before the end of the school year where you turn 18, you don’t get a qualification at all).

So, my dear fellow parents, am I being unreasonable with my demands of daily dishwashing emptying/refilling, laundry hanging out and bringing in, and cat care?

OP posts:
AIBUmum2023 · 07/11/2023 13:46

@VORE

I wanted t8 say a big thank you for your continuing contributions to this thread!

I’ve found them very helpful and can see my DD in the the things that you’re saying.

You express yourself very well and I hope your parents are very proud of you and your accomplishments.

I hope that perhaps in 10 years from now, my DD will also have accomplished the things she wants too. And I think my DH and I have to help her.

I shall certainly be asking for parenting tips from you! 🌺🌺

OP posts:
theduchessofspork · 07/11/2023 13:50

AIBUmum2023 · 07/11/2023 11:21

@VORE

I think we’re normal parents as our other kids aren’t like this.

She is expected to get up by 8 am , with bed made, and not go back to bed, but this is complicated by the fact that I will often nap in the day as I have difficulties that impact my sleep and then she will go back to bed/sit in her room doing whatever she does.

Her curfew was 6pm, until she turned 18 and now it’s 9pm, which isn’t a massive concession, as everything closes at 9pm anyway! She also wasn’t allowed to go to sleepovers, unless I knew both parents really, really well.

She has always been in proper therapy and these assessments spring from whatever she’s saying in her therapy sessions, hence this ED assessment now, even though neither her dad or I see any evidence of an ED, and her weight is stable.

I’m going to talk to my husband about the points you raise as I think it’s helpful as you’ve been that kid.

I also want to say that I think it’s awful that your parents showed the world how much they loved you by buying you things, but showed you that they didn’t by not putting boundaries in place. You have made a success of your life in spite of them, not because of them, and you need to always remember that. And you have been successful, regardless of material things, or jobs, or anything else. You’ve taken the time to help a complete stranger, and that means a lot to me 🌺

A 6pm curfew until 18 isn’t normal OP, neither is a 9pm curfew now (why does she need a curfew?!) and neither is refusing for a teen to go on sleepovers unless you know the parents well (for a 6 year old yes, a 15 year old, no.)

It must be very frustrating dealing with her right now, but these are peculiar rules that she grew up with, which will not have helped with independence.

I’d get a second opinion on depression and ADHD as it really sounds like both may (may) be in play, and if so appropriate medication may help.

Sort that out, get her medication sorted (even if it’s just the existing anxiety meds) and then I think you all need a break from each other - I would move heaven on earth to make a gap year in Australia (or whatever - anything) and fund a ticket. I think she’ll do much better out on her own.

theduchessofspork · 07/11/2023 13:55

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 07/11/2023 12:40

In answer to your initial question, I don't think you are BU to expect her to do a fair share of household chores. I don't think she should have to take responsibility for her brother's laundry, but otherwise, what you're asking her to do is entirely reasonable.

And I know that you didn't ask for opinions on your parenting style or the wider issues, but I do feel compelled to comment. Ignore it if you wish, but it is genuinely meant in the spirit of being helpful.

I think you sound very dismissive of your dd's issuet. It comes across as if you think that there isn't really anything wrong with her, so she needs to just pull herself together.

I accept that she might not have had any formal diagnosis, and this might be frustrating, but the fact is that there is clearly something very wrong with your dd's mental health. From what you describe, she has gone from being a happy, engaged and successful young woman to being an anxious, withdrawn and disengaged one. I'm pretty sure that she would not choose to live like this if something wasn't wrong. At her age, she should be out and about making the most of what life has to offer. There is a reason why she has stopped living a full life, whether you have a label/diagnosis to stick on that reason or not.

You sound disappointed in her and frustrated with her. No matter how hard you try, this is probably coming across. The thing is, she is probably disappointed and frustrated with herself. She needs help, not judgement. And yes, I know you've paid for therapy etc so you're trying. And it must be very hard if you're also coming to terms with your own disability, which you said is a recent development. You have a lot on your plate, and I sympathise. But your dd is clearly very unhappy and you don't need a doctor to diagnose this. If she could flip a switch and suddenly be happy again, I'm sure that she would choose that option.

Agreed.

AIBUmum2023 · 07/11/2023 14:05

theduchessofspork · 07/11/2023 13:50

A 6pm curfew until 18 isn’t normal OP, neither is a 9pm curfew now (why does she need a curfew?!) and neither is refusing for a teen to go on sleepovers unless you know the parents well (for a 6 year old yes, a 15 year old, no.)

It must be very frustrating dealing with her right now, but these are peculiar rules that she grew up with, which will not have helped with independence.

I’d get a second opinion on depression and ADHD as it really sounds like both may (may) be in play, and if so appropriate medication may help.

Sort that out, get her medication sorted (even if it’s just the existing anxiety meds) and then I think you all need a break from each other - I would move heaven on earth to make a gap year in Australia (or whatever - anything) and fund a ticket. I think she’ll do much better out on her own.

All her friends has the same curfew and one still has the 6pm curfew. And where we live, everything closes at 9pm! The only bad news we get locally, is teens who don't have a curfew and stay out drinking, drunk driving and doing donuts, crashing into people's cars and houses! And we would have to send her to the UK I think, but perhaps only in the UK summer! We have relatives all over the world, she knows this and I've offered to send her wherever she wants to go, but she doesn't want to go anywhere without her friends and I couldn't afford to send all of them! And her brothers pretty much grew up with the same rules!

OP posts:
ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 07/11/2023 14:06

Refusing to go back after Covid.

Hiding in the toilet to avoid demands.

All ND stuff.

My Dd is 17 and ASD. She’s exactly the same. And yes they can choose stuff they want to do, as this calms them. But demands or other stuff they often can’t do.

Id treat her with low demand and see how she fares.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 07/11/2023 14:10

Do they know how girls differ from boys in ASD presentation in your country. Are they using male criteria to assess her.?

Taking screens away will always upset ND. They use them to regulate.

Take a look at the Autistic Girls Network checklist. She sounds in burnout.

AIBUmum2023 · 07/11/2023 14:21

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 07/11/2023 14:06

Refusing to go back after Covid.

Hiding in the toilet to avoid demands.

All ND stuff.

My Dd is 17 and ASD. She’s exactly the same. And yes they can choose stuff they want to do, as this calms them. But demands or other stuff they often can’t do.

Id treat her with low demand and see how she fares.

We have. We spent months making no demands and nothing changed. We asked her what she felt she could reasonably achieve and then said ok just do those things when you can. She didn't do those things.

All she wants to do is her online games/streamers and talk to her friends. Literally that. She'll go out to meet them, she doesn't care about her appearance (clothes wise) as she says she shouldn't have to conform to societal standards but she always has top notch make up on.

I suggested a beauty course but apparently I was being misogynistic for suggesting it!

She says there's nothing wrong with just wanting to do the online games, chat to friends etc., because the only reason for cleaning is because society tells us too (although, you know, mould!!). Apparently it's ridiculous of me to have these "high" standards because none of her friends parents do (it's true, I've been inside some of their houses), and what's the point in cleaning because you have to do it again and again and the definition of madness is doing the same thing over again and expecting a different outcome (I think she was inferring I was mad because I keep cleaning and the house gets dirty again - teen logic at its finest).

She also doesn't realise that the only reason she is able to live the way she does is because we support her! If she lived on her own, she would have to get a job and make her own money. But then, she says that's irrelevant because she doesn't live on her own! 🙄

OP posts:
ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 07/11/2023 14:27

I’d still be suspicious!

Not caring about appearance is another one. Burnout can take years not months to recover from.

Dont know what else to say! She sounds like a typical ASD girl who has flown under the radar for years. Again I’d be interested to know what criteria the assessor used.

Does she fit into any of this?

https://autisticgirlsnetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Keeping-it-all-inside.pdf

https://autisticgirlsnetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Keeping-it-all-inside.pdf

Froooty · 07/11/2023 14:32

You know what else? We, as a society, have swung too far in our "acceptance" of otherness. It's kindness gone way over the top until it's actually a negative, because it removes the boundaries of minimum standards in society. What an awful thing to do to a teen, to say, oh, they can't! They can't X, Y, Z. Because they're autistic. Or because they have ADHD. Or they have anxiety. Or in fact they have a disability. Imagine how horrible that is for a moment, boxing someone in as being useless and having nothing to contribute? It's cruel. It reduces anyone not bog-standard-normal into being a nothing.

And that's the answer to why teens manipulate their surroundings with the excuse of "mental health" being the answer to everything. Not because they necessarily want to get attention, but because everyone around them also gives a free pass to do anything at all and there is no expectation of basic standards of behaviour. This generation has literally grown up with their teachers and peers not arguing when they make stupid choices or behave poorly; teachers out of a fear of discrimination and a lack of time for all 30 kids doing this shit; and fellow students who have learned from their teachers to be "tolerant" and let crappy behaviour go, under the guise of being understanding.

End result... everyone considers themselves to be not neurotypical. Everyone's got anxiety. Everyone is struggling with their mental health and needs you to be kind.

And yeah, my kid included. She was diagnosed ASD as a 5yo. She's insisted since that her psych said she is not. She's added every new fashionable condition and diagnosis to her arsenal one by one over the years, and it's attention-seeking behaviour, because her online peers all have one or more of them and they are her "support network", ie, the other kids that bend over backwards to "be kind" instead of encouraging her to achieve anything. And OP, I'd put money that it's the same thing with your DD's friends. After all, why would other teens care if she never works? She has acceptance already exactly as she is there. Why change?

AIBUmum2023 · 07/11/2023 14:32

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 07/11/2023 14:10

Do they know how girls differ from boys in ASD presentation in your country. Are they using male criteria to assess her.?

Taking screens away will always upset ND. They use them to regulate.

Take a look at the Autistic Girls Network checklist. She sounds in burnout.

The change in the way that girls are assessed for ND was partly developed by the professionals she has seen. So yes, I would hope they would know about differentiating females and males. I really don't want to continue on this track as it really will be too outing. Please respect that. And please try to understand that sometimes, there is no diagnosis and this situation is ongoing since mid-2020, so not new. She has also undertaken specialist tests to check she isn't "masking" any ND traits. So, again, I respectfully ask you to stop.

OP posts:
AIBUmum2023 · 07/11/2023 14:37

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 07/11/2023 14:27

I’d still be suspicious!

Not caring about appearance is another one. Burnout can take years not months to recover from.

Dont know what else to say! She sounds like a typical ASD girl who has flown under the radar for years. Again I’d be interested to know what criteria the assessor used.

Does she fit into any of this?

https://autisticgirlsnetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Keeping-it-all-inside.pdf

Please stop! I'm actually finding your continual hammering in the face of me literally asking you to stop with ND, distressing.

You really aren't helping, so again, I ask you to stop! Please!

If you are qualified, and you are registered, then send me your details privately so I can check you out and have confidentiality.

Until then, please stop trying to prise out details that I have told you over and over again will be outing for me!

You're making me really distressed

OP posts:
ThinWomansBrain · 07/11/2023 14:41

I appreciate it's not your biggest problem, but you acknowledge you've spoiled your daughter in the past - and your giving your adult son the expectation that he shouldn't have to take care of changing his bed linen because he has a full time job?

Chipsahoyagain · 07/11/2023 14:42

tpxqi · 07/11/2023 07:27

By the way, is there anyone out there who doesn’t have anxiety. It’s seems to be the catch all term for laziness and bone idleness. If you allow people to take you for a ride by blaming everything on ‘anxiety’ then you’re a fool.

That or depression or SN. No wonder there are so many useless adults today. She can swan off for a week, come back with a gobby mouth and attitude but needs a break because you know 'something must be wrong'. What's her plan for her future? To lay about and expect you and dh to carry her forward? No, I would be telling her to get her act together and either be in education, work or putting a huge effort at home. None of this waltzing around with no goals or point. I think you need to be tough on her, do you really want a useless 20 something year old that you read about here all the time?

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 07/11/2023 14:44

AIBUmum2023 · 07/11/2023 14:37

Please stop! I'm actually finding your continual hammering in the face of me literally asking you to stop with ND, distressing.

You really aren't helping, so again, I ask you to stop! Please!

If you are qualified, and you are registered, then send me your details privately so I can check you out and have confidentiality.

Until then, please stop trying to prise out details that I have told you over and over again will be outing for me!

You're making me really distressed

It’s only a talk board love🤷🏻‍♀️

AIBUmum2023 · 07/11/2023 15:04

ThinWomansBrain · 07/11/2023 14:41

I appreciate it's not your biggest problem, but you acknowledge you've spoiled your daughter in the past - and your giving your adult son the expectation that he shouldn't have to take care of changing his bed linen because he has a full time job?

Oh dear! She has done it once, in 18 years and she and her brother are Irish twins.

He's not reliant on her to change his bedding and it was a nice surprise for him when he came home, from having got up at 4.30 am and got home just before 7.30 pm.

He doesn't expect her to do it again, in fact he doesn't expect any of us to do anything for him. And he bought her a present to say thank you, so she was happy and felt appreciated.

My DD is very much about "leave your misogynism at the door"! She really doesn't allow DS any toe out of line!

I don't think he's shaping up to be a man who expects the "little lady" to run around after him!

He will cook, clean, do laundry, strip beds etc. There's been many times when he's gone in to her room and cleaned and tidied it whilst she's sat on her bed and watched! Her not keeping her space clean and tidy has been going on since she dropped her teddy out of the Moses basket when she was 3 minutes old!

It's only her and 1 older brother who have been like that and he changed when he was about 25, so he was a work in progress for many years!

I've always encouraged our DC to have the mindset of us being a family. And in families, there's no "you do your washing and I'll do mine". If the laundry hamper is full then put a wash on and hang it out. Or, if you're going out, whoever is home can hang it out. Same with the housework. It's not difficult to clean the shower after you've used it or rinse over the sink after you've shaved or brushed your teeth! And that worked for years!

OP posts:
AIBUmum2023 · 07/11/2023 15:08

Chipsahoyagain · 07/11/2023 14:42

That or depression or SN. No wonder there are so many useless adults today. She can swan off for a week, come back with a gobby mouth and attitude but needs a break because you know 'something must be wrong'. What's her plan for her future? To lay about and expect you and dh to carry her forward? No, I would be telling her to get her act together and either be in education, work or putting a huge effort at home. None of this waltzing around with no goals or point. I think you need to be tough on her, do you really want a useless 20 something year old that you read about here all the time?

No I don't. I want her to feel like she can climb a mountain in her spare time!

Tbh, since this whole school thing started, it's been downhill all the way!

Tomorrow I shall sit down with DH and decide on a plan of action based on @VORE's recommendations and what helped her!

OP posts:
AIBUmum2023 · 07/11/2023 15:10

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 07/11/2023 14:44

It’s only a talk board love🤷🏻‍♀️

Exactly. So I await your details via DM so we can arrange for your professional assessment and fee and then we can go from there! Thanks!

OP posts:
ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 07/11/2023 15:20

AIBUmum2023 · 07/11/2023 15:10

Exactly. So I await your details via DM so we can arrange for your professional assessment and fee and then we can go from there! Thanks!

Hmm
AIBUmum2023 · 07/11/2023 15:21

Froooty · 07/11/2023 14:32

You know what else? We, as a society, have swung too far in our "acceptance" of otherness. It's kindness gone way over the top until it's actually a negative, because it removes the boundaries of minimum standards in society. What an awful thing to do to a teen, to say, oh, they can't! They can't X, Y, Z. Because they're autistic. Or because they have ADHD. Or they have anxiety. Or in fact they have a disability. Imagine how horrible that is for a moment, boxing someone in as being useless and having nothing to contribute? It's cruel. It reduces anyone not bog-standard-normal into being a nothing.

And that's the answer to why teens manipulate their surroundings with the excuse of "mental health" being the answer to everything. Not because they necessarily want to get attention, but because everyone around them also gives a free pass to do anything at all and there is no expectation of basic standards of behaviour. This generation has literally grown up with their teachers and peers not arguing when they make stupid choices or behave poorly; teachers out of a fear of discrimination and a lack of time for all 30 kids doing this shit; and fellow students who have learned from their teachers to be "tolerant" and let crappy behaviour go, under the guise of being understanding.

End result... everyone considers themselves to be not neurotypical. Everyone's got anxiety. Everyone is struggling with their mental health and needs you to be kind.

And yeah, my kid included. She was diagnosed ASD as a 5yo. She's insisted since that her psych said she is not. She's added every new fashionable condition and diagnosis to her arsenal one by one over the years, and it's attention-seeking behaviour, because her online peers all have one or more of them and they are her "support network", ie, the other kids that bend over backwards to "be kind" instead of encouraging her to achieve anything. And OP, I'd put money that it's the same thing with your DD's friends. After all, why would other teens care if she never works? She has acceptance already exactly as she is there. Why change?

Edited

A lot of this is spot on. She has seen peers getting singled out for special attention, especially over the bad COVID hump, with people bring sick and it was all about leaving cooked food on the doorstop, and prayers, and oh no! how awful, and don't worry about this assessment and that homework.

And I definitely agree with the diagnosis thing. She can list the symptoms of most "typical" teen MH problems.

She has actually come to me, listed a load of symptoms, asked what I think those symptoms might add up too, and when I ask why, it's all such and such is feeling this way and has xyz symptoms and I remind her that I can't diagnose her friends, but it sounds like PTSD, or SI, or DSH or whatever the symptoms could add up too, and then, sometime later, she has these symptoms!

OP posts:
Chipsahoyagain · 07/11/2023 15:29

Froooty · 07/11/2023 14:32

You know what else? We, as a society, have swung too far in our "acceptance" of otherness. It's kindness gone way over the top until it's actually a negative, because it removes the boundaries of minimum standards in society. What an awful thing to do to a teen, to say, oh, they can't! They can't X, Y, Z. Because they're autistic. Or because they have ADHD. Or they have anxiety. Or in fact they have a disability. Imagine how horrible that is for a moment, boxing someone in as being useless and having nothing to contribute? It's cruel. It reduces anyone not bog-standard-normal into being a nothing.

And that's the answer to why teens manipulate their surroundings with the excuse of "mental health" being the answer to everything. Not because they necessarily want to get attention, but because everyone around them also gives a free pass to do anything at all and there is no expectation of basic standards of behaviour. This generation has literally grown up with their teachers and peers not arguing when they make stupid choices or behave poorly; teachers out of a fear of discrimination and a lack of time for all 30 kids doing this shit; and fellow students who have learned from their teachers to be "tolerant" and let crappy behaviour go, under the guise of being understanding.

End result... everyone considers themselves to be not neurotypical. Everyone's got anxiety. Everyone is struggling with their mental health and needs you to be kind.

And yeah, my kid included. She was diagnosed ASD as a 5yo. She's insisted since that her psych said she is not. She's added every new fashionable condition and diagnosis to her arsenal one by one over the years, and it's attention-seeking behaviour, because her online peers all have one or more of them and they are her "support network", ie, the other kids that bend over backwards to "be kind" instead of encouraging her to achieve anything. And OP, I'd put money that it's the same thing with your DD's friends. After all, why would other teens care if she never works? She has acceptance already exactly as she is there. Why change?

Edited

This post should be pinned. It won't be popular because too many would rather fall back on some diagnoses than actually parent their kids. Easier way out. End result, useless bunch of adults. Some people are still using Covid and milking it.

adriftabroad · 07/11/2023 16:22

AIBUmum2023 · 07/11/2023 15:10

Exactly. So I await your details via DM so we can arrange for your professional assessment and fee and then we can go from there! Thanks!

Lordy!

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow agree with you.

Theoldwoman · 07/11/2023 21:29

OP, why do you think you will be ‘outed’ as you put it? There are literally hundreds of people on here, and you could be anywhere in the World!

I wish you well with your DD, it sounds a tough road for you both.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 07/11/2023 21:50

adriftabroad · 07/11/2023 16:22

Lordy!

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow agree with you.

Yeah right!

l now have to have professional qualifications just to offer an opinion!😲on a chat board! I must remember to dm my details to every random stranger on here.

l have an ASD Dd and was a secondary teacher for 26 years. But maybe l need to be a member of some professional elite ASD diagnosis thing. To even post on here😂

Gloriously · 07/11/2023 22:32

All I can see from your posts OP is you mocking and dismissing your DD’s MH and then belittling and shaming her directly with glee even when she is actively making bids for your attention.

Maybe something has happened to her that she hasn’t told you about - or she is terrified about your life-limiting condition and disability?

Here are some excerpts:

“I said this to show her how ridiculous she was being.”

“I think she has weaponised incompetence”

“She comes and says to me that she thought that everything would fall apart without her here as she’s the glue that holds the family and house together. To which I just stared at her, in disbelief and shook my head!”

“Oh wait, she made me a coffee 🙄”

“When you’ve dragged around and paid for specialists, and had all the tests done and then your child doesn’t appear to actually have anything wrong with them, you get to the end of your tether.”

“This is why I’m thinking of putting my DD into the garden, where she can live in squalor and sh1t to her hearts content”

”She snuck out to a “safe” place as she wasn’t feeling safe because I was “forcing” her to clean her room and was going to take her devices away!”

“Also, cleaning her bedroom causes her to have panic attacks. That’s what she said

“I would love to leave her incommunicado”

“She did phone me on her way home, saying she had missed me”

I think you treat her disrespectfully and with contempt. It’s odd that the only poster you identify with is one who states her parents were abusive and neglectful and advocates that you do more of what hasn’t worked to date.

I think it’s striking that your DD uses lots of makeup but her personal hygiene is poor and her clothes are stained and crumpled. To me this means she is barely hanging in there - she isn’t functioning at any level but slaps on some makeup to try.

I think that you have tried to outsource her issues with all of the professional assessments to ‘fix her’ rather than shift gears yourself to give her the attention she craves by listening and exploring with her.

I can’t believe you didn’t call her in a week and thought this was OK?

Even if she has made every symptom up - that’s still a significant MH issue and a cry for help - no teenager wants to live like she does. Her withdrawal and online binge watching is likely dissociative behaviours - a maladaptive way to soothe emotional pain - can you explore what this might be about?

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 07/11/2023 22:34

@Gloriously don’t forget to dm your professional qualifications……..

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