The world has tried men in charge and look what they have done

[Eaglemom]

AIBU... if the world was run by women it would not be in this fucking mess. Children’s and women’s lives would be worth more than land or grievances. Young men would not be groomed for war and aggression. What the hell are men doing to this earth?

Can you name some specific things that you think would and would not have happened if women had been in charge?

We have had female PMs and CEOs and guess what, they are never particularly better or worse that their male counterparts.
The real problem here is not gender, it is the TYPE of person that these powerful positions attract. Self serving and greedy.

The real problem here is not gender, it is the TYPE of person that these powerful positions attract. Self serving and greedy.

^^This

0rly? You're not getting away with Liz Truss that easily cup cake!

But we get the leaders we deserve. We live in a democracy. Nobody forces people to vote for narcissists and sociopaths like Boris Johnson. There's also more women than men, so women have the advantage numerically in the voting booth. Women have huge power in democracy.

I think it's having power that makes people in charge fuck up the world. Men have had the power, so they have behaved how powerful people behave. If women had had the power, they would have behaved similarly. Imo most of the different characteristics you can ascribe to male behaviour and female behaviour are down to social structure and socialisation, not inherent.

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Yeah, we definitely need the likes of Truss/Braverman/Patel in the chair. Jesus wept.

What about the likes of Hancock, Rees Mogg, Johnson, Cummings, Sunak, Raab, Hunt, and Gove?
I don't see those men doing a particularly stella job either, but no one extrapolates that to men shouldn't be allowed to be leaders anymore because those few are shit.
I can name a lot more male politicians who have been involved in scandals and corruption than female ones.

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This completely

They'll catch up the more women reach the top of professions. Scandals like Michelle Mone or Dido Harding just in the last couple of years. Truss literally crashed the economy in the month she was PM only last year.

I don't care for politicians regardless of gender, or people in powerful positions in general. Women don't behave any better than men and are not inherently better or nicer.

I have no issue with the sex of whomever is in power provided that they are qualified, capable, empathetic, aspire to equality and open minded.

What I take issue with is is career politicians that live for the soundbite, have no concept of their constituents needs, have spent minimal time as a back bencher or in a minor cabinet position and fuelled by interest groups.

I don't think anyone is saying women shouldn't be leaders because some are shit. Just that the people who become leaders tend to be shit whether they are male or female.

I don't think women as a group are any less aggressive, power hungry or friendlier and inclusive than men. We might be less physical, but we are not different from men.

We are fighting so hard for equality, it does us no favour whatsoever to pretend there are so many differences.

There are a lot of posts on this thread simply ignoring that, had women been in charge from day one, what it means to be a woman or have "feminine traits" would be different.

It goes all the way back to tribal living. Men were in charge because they were the ones that could secure the resources that the society needed in order to survive. They could also protect the society's resources and prevent them being claimed by others. We have the society we have because men had the protector/provider role. If woman had been in charge, they would have had to have taken the protector/provider role and that would have fundamentally changed what it means to be a woman (and a man).

There are a lot of posts on this thread simply ignoring that, had women been in charge from day one, what it means to be a woman or have "feminine traits" would be different.

Exactly. That's what I was getting at, but you put it much better!

Except it appears that interpretation of evolution is actually the patriarchy at work again not archaeological evidence supported.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-theory-that-men-evolved-to-hunt-and-women-evolved-to-gather-is-wrong1/

Human beings screwed the world. Changing their chromosone make-up wouldn't have made any difference. Sorry, but if you think otherwise you are deluding yourself.

The vitriol and spite I see on this site daily from women and mothers lead me to believe it would be a different kind of poisonous world.

I didn't suggest they'd evolved for specific roles, nor am I talking about the ideas of hunter/gatherer. I said they took on specific roles. It's a societal construct, not a biological one. Men were providers and protectors which is what led to them being in charge. They are the ones who fought against others to claim their land, their resources, their access to food, etc. They are also the ones who defended. It's what led to a society where men were the ones working, leading, fighting, etc. and women were viewed as requiring protection and direction.

I'm also not saying that there wouldn't be improvements if women (as we know them) were in charge now. I'm saying that if women had been in charge since the word go, they wouldn't be what we recognise as women now.

It's the personality type that likes power or being in charge. Many years ago, I was told that certain men gravitate towards either law enforcement or law breaking, and the personality is the same. this has certainly been born out in recent years.
The worst management I have had have been predominantly women groups. It was run on being 'besties', and if you weren't in the clique, you were managed out. I work in an all male team as the only woman, and it is far more pleasant!

Its less about the sex of the individual in charge and the traits that may or may not mean they could bring to the power role, and more about the culture of placing men and their values, interests and wishes front and centre and building everything around meeting their needs. A world where this no longer happens and the needs of women and children were centred would be a vast improvement. There's no guarantee women leaders would do this. But we can guarantee male leaders won't.

Comparing human behaviour to that of bonobos - specifically, running a country of 66 million people and immeasurably complex social and logistical systems versus a bonobo tribe of 30-100 individuals - is so choc-full of hilarious logical, sociological and evolutionary fallacies I'm at least 50% sure you have to be trolling here.

Yes. I'm sold. We should definitely let men get on with running the world. They're much better at it than nasty women with their 'friends'.

Crime statistics about male violence are clearly because women run the justice system and let their mates off.

YES
I can imagine in a female dominated world, men could be belittled for their lack of emotional range, meaning they are less able to empathise and lead effectively. Rather than women being told they are "too emotional"
Women could bring babies to work and breastfeed tiny babies at work. There would be more breaks. Possibly an entirely different working schedule to account for menstrual cycles and childcare.
I think there would be less focus on technology and being "clever", intellectual pursuits. And more on cooperation and environmental benefits. Because women are less able to individually "win" than men by asserting their strength, and gain more power through cooperating and influencing. That would filter into what strategies society was pursuing.

Definitely.

Let's face it we couldn't do any worse.

Are we glossing over Liz Truss? Not to mention the likes of Priti Patel and Suella Braverman. We need real people in charge, those who didn't attend an elite public school and actually understand and give a shit about people. It won't happen though.

There’s a very interesting short story by John Wyndham called “Consider her Ways” about a world consisting entirely of women because men have died out because of a disease only affecting them.

Or Queen Victoria. Empire anyone?