The world has tried men in charge and look what they have done

[Eaglemom]

AIBU... if the world was run by women it would not be in this fucking mess. Children’s and women’s lives would be worth more than land or grievances. Young men would not be groomed for war and aggression. What the hell are men doing to this earth?

Understatement!

In would choose to work with men over women, every single time. Ding, dong...

Not angels, no, but the aren't the aggressive, dick waving, pissing contest, my bombs bigger than your bomb, pricks either.

I definitely think the world would be a much more compassionate place if it were run by women.

I think we need more NORMAL people in charge of more companies, organisations etc - the so called professional fuck things up way too much and don’t have any real ground level insights.

If me or you or any normal person spent a few days in the NHS for example we’d be able to quickly see and fix so many things. The same in politics - we can see the issues and have simple and clear thoughts on how to fix them that those in power just don’t have.

maybe if we take away some of the power and focus on FIXING things, we’d get somewhere

Current politicians cannot possibly give an accurate picture of what women in charge would be like.

Currently women in politics need to be aggressive asshats because the men are mediocre asshats.

Comparing the few women who made it into prominent positions to the pasty white dick swinging mediocre men who have ruined the planet is absurd. Apples and oranges.

I don't think you can compare the public with the private - i.e., our bosses with our prime ministers and other public leaders.
Many women prefer male bosses because they find it easier to get what they want/need from a man than a woman.
My brother prefers a female boss because women are usually less confrontational with him. As he puts it: there are none of the dick measuring contests.

Currently the women that make it in politics in the uk are sharp elbowed and similar to the men. That might change if the balance was more 50:50. I’m sceptical though it takes a certain type of person. If you have a constituency in Devon or NW England or Scotland you are accepting either your children spend time travelling to London as well or you see them quite a bit less. Your past will be scrutinised so you will have a thick skin.

We also need a different attitude from voters (I include myself) as well. If we want difficult issues to be resolved we need to accept that there will be compromises.

Conservatives will have to see that you can’t have good public services and endless austerity. I’m a Labour voter but need to accept that it won’t just be “the rich” paying extra so I might not get all the improvements I want.

everyone needs to agree that decisions on paying for care will be painful. We may lose inheritance we thought we could pass on and yes we need to pay more tax as people get older and fit adults will work longer. There needs to be cross party agreement so people can plan.

In this country the problem is generally privately educated white middle class men. They are instilled with such great self belief from such a young age, their sense of superiority, arrogance and antipathy towards others is destructive. Not sure its as common for women to have those character traits, though obviously some do.

Yea a greater proportion of women MPs would be great, but also more MPs from ‘normal’ backgrounds who actually understand normal working/middle class life. People who grew up knowing what it’s like to be cold because you can’t afford to have the heating on all the time not cold because you’ve spent too long on the ski slopes.

You have a point about patriarchy/testosterone being problematic. It's not men per se but, the typical traits associative with toxic masculinity (power, more, efficiency, strength, no emotions, rationale, no weakness, war etc). There will he individual women with this trait but overall they're quite gendered traits.

Um. How did NZ not go well?

Your idea makes the assumption that men and women as entire groups are inherently different naturally and based on nothing more than their biological sex and that if society were different those traits would still be there. That's an enormous assumption to make. It's entirely plausible that certain traits have become more masculine and feminine over time because of the roles each group took in society rather than the other way round.

The suggestion, for example, that women would have created a less aggressive society if they'd been in charge from the start is deeply flawed. Do you honestly think that if we'd had women leaders in the past, they wouldn't have wanted to expand their people's terrority and make life better/possible for their people? Do you think they'd have let their people starve rather than aggressively conquering the lands belonging to those around them and taking their resources? I'd argue that aggression, decisiveness, ambition, etc. are not male traits nor female traits: they are leadership traits.

Jacinda Ardern is quite polarising.

Some people think she was a nasty, dictatorial, narcissist who conveniently quit before the consequences of her policies caught up with her and her party.

Other people think she was sweetness and light and close to being saintly.

I do think what can make women perhaps more dangerous as politicians is this ability to appear inoffensive and adopt a fake motherly persona, much like Margaret Thatcher also did in her early days of running for PM. Women are supposedly better communicators so (perhaps) have a better affinity for manipulating the media with the right gestures. Ardern was the Queen of that, she had it down to a T. She was amazingly good at it.

To me, she's a demonstration of an uncomfortable truth about women. Their greater tendency than men to adopt 'Be Kind' as a motto when the end results are anything but kind.

As our culture worships men, it goes without saying that many institutions also run with a patriarchal culture even if women get the top jobs. Lots of the women who do get promoted are emulating the patriarchal behaviour of men, in order to get promoted. And this is not necessarily a great thing in terms of making society fairer to women. So until our society changes on a fundamental level, in some ways you will end up with a patriarchy anyway, even in some cases where a woman is a leader.

That said I absolutely support the idea we need more women leaders and I think they would do a better job than men in most cases!

Yeah cos Liz Truss did a sterling job of being in charge.

I wouldn't like to see what Liz Truss, Braverman or Patel might do.

No one is saying all women are angels though, are they? But we are different from men, you only have to look at crime stats to see that. Why write us off as being as shit as men, when we’ve never even had the chance?

Agree but also It’s the personalities that are attracted to power that are the problem. Absolute twats like putin and trump. Arthur Dent was right the person who should be running the universe is the person that doesn’t want to do it.

Throwing out random few women as examples when they worked under a patriarchy, is not the same as living in world wide matriarchal society.

I agree . Men’s values dominate. Men need to step back now they have proved themselves incapable. The sex balance of power in each country needs to be switched over. So for example if all men are in charge eg Afghanistan then all women in charge if there are 30% women then there can be 30% men.

I actually think Liz was done dirty and am still not comfortable with the way she was ousted. There was nothing democratic about it. There was a strong whiff of misogyny about for e.g., her being mocked for obviously having a private melt down and not making it to PM Questions. 'Dumb dizzy blonde' was the overtones. What she was trying to achieve would only have started coming to fruition after around 5 years or so. Her mistake was doing too much too early. The Conservatives left her to hang herself for reasons I'm not quite sure of.

May also encountered constant challenges.

It takes iron women to run politics in the UK. Women who over compensate and are harder than the men seems to be the prototype for women in politics here.

Having had Margaret Thatcher, Liz Truss and the other who, shockingly, I can't remember the name of. I'm not convinced. Maggie Thatcher's housing policy being a point in hand.

I agree that more of a gender mix will change things in the future but it'll need a mix of ideologies. Sadly it'll also take a long time to have true influence.

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Theresa May would have done a better job than Boris Johnson during the pandemic imo and her Brexit was far more pragmatic but the men said no.

I wish people would wake up. Politicians are selected, not elected. Wars are fought and won by the same people with our children as fodder. It’s a big club and we are not in it.