The world has tried men in charge and look what they have done

[Eaglemom]

AIBU... if the world was run by women it would not be in this fucking mess. Children’s and women’s lives would be worth more than land or grievances. Young men would not be groomed for war and aggression. What the hell are men doing to this earth?

Any criticism of women's performance has to be borne in mind that everything operates in a male world. The structures of power in schools , even girls schools, medical care, housing, childcare all run to a male world agenda.

What is more radical is not to complain how women perform in a male world but to consider how it might be built from the dirt with equitable female influence, meeting the needs of both sexes and all age groups.

Why are houses built without room for pushchairs?
Why do pavements run alongside roads?
Why do we educate children in systems they don't thrive in (they were created to educate boys)?
Why is childcare not available 24 hrs a day?
Why is Government filled with Etonians?

Having been the victim ofthe mean gang at an all girls school with mostly female teachers and an all female leadership team I doubt there would be much difference.

I think women are largely as entrenched in misogyny as men. Loads of women don’t see misogyny and participate and amplify it. I would love for women to get their chance at this stuff but equally I would love to see this misogyny tackled.

The whole trans ideology thing has shown me how turkey voting for Christmas our more commonly female need to people please is. I think our conditioning and socialisation makes women far, far easier to manipulate. The traits people most commonly vote for in leaders/politicians across the world, which are quite frankly dark triad traits, seem to be far more common in men. It would be interesting to see who women alone would vote for given the opportunity.

I think most women are happy with the status quo

Companies that have a more balanced board and senior management do better than male dominated companies

There isn't enough data to compare to female dominated companies ( may be collection , may be not enough such companies )

Aid given to the females in a society benefits the society much more than when given to the males - i recall one community buying TVs and the other buying toilets/ I bet you can guess in which community the women got the aid

The role of women in the Irish peace process has recently been admitted to have been pretty necessary

Whilst you do get bad women and women who have to be more masculine than the men to succeed, nevertheless on average it seems that a more balanced approach seems to be better for all

This is at a society level not individual anecdotes

Difficult to say. We have no examples because the only women ever in power were just sock puppets of a patriarchal society anyway. If you dissect what’s actually wrong with humanity it boils down to greed, capitalism, lack of connection with the natural world, hubris etc. If a truly matriarchal society would have changed that then great, I can’t be sure it would. As a general rule women are slightly less aggressive, possessive and less likely to invade a neighbouring country for glory and gold I expect as those types of things seem to be attached to testosterone, but I think we’re shit because we’re human. It’s a species thing.

This thread is hilarious. Voting says one thing then all the comments are the opposite!

The wheel, the road, the internal combustion engine, concrete, steel, glass, hospitals and healthcare, schools and education for all, the Arts, the phone, the computer, democracy (the vote in UK for all men in 1918, the vote in the UK for all women 1928), a justice system that I have criticised often but it is still far preferable to the wild west, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom to protest, often relative affluence and impressive life-expectancy.

This all had to be created from chaos. I'm not so sure that men have done that badly.

What were the 'consequences' of the NZ Labour Party policies?

Come back common sense and care. The guys forget we are all one family, the Human family

@Sayitaintso33 alot of what you mentioned there were liberties that shouldn’t have needed to be granted because they should never have been considered privileges in the first place, the rest are technologies that have arguably facilitated a negative trajectory and perpetuated humanity destroying the planet and also living to 100 isn’t a fucking great idea on any level- painful, miserable and expensive, some fucker makes 100 grand a year out of that misery though running a ‘care’ home .
a selfless, symbiotic existence looks much more like our ape cousins who stay where they’re fucking put, and don’t bother anyone or destroy any other creatures habitat for shits and giggles.

This.

If women were the leaders we would be living in a world ( mostly? Totally) free from misogyny. We don’t know what that would mean for how women are.

And if women were the world leaders, it would mean it were not an equal society but one skewed towards women. And what we don’t know what that would mean for how women are.

Would we use our powers for good or evil?! Who knows!

But I’m guessing, like men, we would enjoy being the dominant sex, would enjoy looking down on men, would enjoy the power and would want to hold onto it. I’m not quite so sure if we would be starting lots of wars though.

We need people that are smart enough to govern, maintain compassion and integrity and make tough decisions when evidence suggests it’s the right thing. People that are not so driven by power and their own career progression. I really don’t think it’s a male/female thing.

I think what we need is people of any gender, with balance. What we have in the UK currently is too much ‘dick swinging’ as a PP rightly put it - even the women. It’s a race to the bottom as to who can be most outrageously crass and uncaring to keep the rabid DM readers happy.

Where are the core values (unless you class hate and greed as values)?

I think we also need higher standards of behaviour in Government in the UK. The way that our UK Government have behaved in the last few years has been appalling and if I behaved in just a small but similar way at work I’d be sacked, and rightly so. Aside from the lying, stealing, law breaking etc, if talked in meetings like they do in Parliament (shouting over each other, calling each other names etc) I’d not be taken seriously and it would be a massive issue.

What we need is more balance.

That’s a common phenomena! I’ve noticed it a lot. I’d love to know why!

I suppose there is also the question of how far the sex makes a difference or whether certain personality types are attracted to, and achieve, leadership. So you always get the same type of person in leadership.

But then of course, leaders need their parties to support them, and I do think more women in politics mean more analysis of how women’s lives are different from men’s and more consideration of how policies affect women. Though there is still not enough consideration of this by politicians of either sex, and women’s interests are still quickly made secondary when it seen as politically expedient to do so. As events in the past ten years or so have shown.

Why are houses built without room for pushchairs?
Why do pavements run alongside roads?
Why do we educate children in systems they don't thrive in (they were created to educate boys)?
^Why is childcare not available 24 hrs a day?*
Why is Government filled with Etonians?

I agree with your general points but on education, don’t girls now outperform boys?
And my experience is early years and primary which I think is set up to suit girls developmental needs far more than boys. ( though doesn’t suit either particularly well in most settings). Early years and primary is dominated by women and I suspect they set things up thinking back to how they were as girls with boys needs being less well met.

I really can’t imagine women would treat men how they’ve treated us, both historically and still in some places today, deciding they can’t drive, must cover up, not allowed credit, not allowed job security, paid less, legally a woman’s property, huge amounts of porn showing them being choked and hurt for women’s pleasure, body shamed for hair, told their most important quality is how attractive they are, not allowed to put their names to inventions, put in huts outside at certain times of the month, sold off as young boys to older women…

I could be wrong, but I just don’t think women would spend so much time and energy on oppressing men.

have been saying for ages we should experiment with a women-only parliament.

For a trial period of, say, 200 years...

I think it's delusional to think it would be any different.
It's greed and power that run the world and women are subject to it the same as men.

I think we’re shit because we’re human. It’s a species thing

In a nutshell. We have a very ingrained need for ‘stuff’, the more we have the more we want.

I think things would look different if roles had been reversed over the centuries but I’m not convinced that things would be any better. Women are just as ruthless and detached given a situation where they want something or need to defend something and that something is limited in resource.

The world has tried men in charge and look what they have done

Goes both ways though doesn't it? If you're saying look at all these bad things that happen, these are the result of men being in charge, then you'd have to say all the good things are because of them too.

For example, as a species, we've moved on from feudalism and serfdom to a more fairer form of governance (even modern day Saudi Arabia or North Korea provide a better standard of living for the average person than 13th century England or Imperial Rome).

We've also broadly increases life expectancy, reduced infant mortality, improved health outcomes, increased access to education, food, travel, work, leisure, etc, etc.

Have all those only happened because men are in charge or is it a bit more complex than that?

No, totally incorrect. At lot of the current ideology stems from Margaret Thatcher.

I only need to point out Suella B, Priti P, Liz T

You only have to look at all the threads on here about manipulative relatives or CF friends to realise what sort of women would make it to the top in a female dominated society.

Bingo.

And, on top of that, artificially drawing the line according to gender completely ignores the fact that the kind of person who wants to be in charge is usually exactly the kind of person who shouldn't be.

It's nothing to do with gender; it's the fact that having a group of people (any people) in charge automatically creates "haves" and "have nots". The "haves" always want more (which creates international conflict), and the "have nots" always resent the "haves" (which creates national conflict).

And, obviously, it's not like things were any better when we in the UK had female PMs. One created greater inequality than the country's ever seen, the next presided over Brexit (and got nowhere), and the last caused a cost of living crisis that's ruined the majority of the population.

The problem isn't gender, it's ideology and the type of person who feels they should be at the top.

Yes @countrygirl99 this is a really good point because it is although not universally but more commonly a person who seeks to dominate who becomes a leader. Domineering people by definition put their own agenda and needs to the top of the pile.

I do think there is a psychology in the rest of us that puts them in power though. I think that is something we can all address as individuals. Why do we need someone we feel is a controlling/dominant type in power (if that applies to individuals). There is something about those personality traits that makes us feel safer I suspect.