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I’m not a Personal assistant

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Fuckedoffwithtwats · 02/11/2023 10:35

I do the majority of admin for the household as I don’t work. Dh works and if he has to do any of his own admin struggles but I always tell him he needs to do these things.

I have to remind him of the of appts etc.

He has had a work trip planned for ages. I did tell him to make sure he kept all the things for this in ONE place with his passport . Anyway he can’t find it - this is MY fault apparently. He says he didn’t lose it (well nobody else has had it so he did!). I’ve told him it’s not up to me and I’m not cancelling my plans to help him look (due to go tomorrow).

im not his PA !

OP posts:
HunterBidensBurnerPhone · 02/11/2023 16:41

with regards to the tasks that you stated OP, all of those can be managed by working parents and do not require one parent to not work in order to manage them

Parents, plural.

Expecting only one working parent to do all those tasks while the other working parent does none is massively unreasonable. And I suspect would be the case here.

Chickenkeev · 02/11/2023 16:41

Fuckedoffwithtwats · 02/11/2023 15:27

If he had asked me politely I might have but he spoke to me like shit and I’m not a doormat so he can get on with it himself !

That's exactly it. It's the shitty attitude that would (rightfully) make you dig your heels in. Let him sort himself out.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 02/11/2023 16:44

@HardcoreLadyType my mother in law refers to a "daddy look", despite her own DH having died years ago.

Hobbitfeet32 · 02/11/2023 16:45

@HunterBidensBurnerPhone my point is that those tasks do not fill full time hours , in fact they only fill a few hours per week. So suggesting that those tasks are equal to working full time is silly. Therefore it’s not unreasonable to help the husband find his passport. But like I said he shouldn’t be asking with a shitty attitude.

HunterBidensBurnerPhone · 02/11/2023 16:53

my point is that those tasks do not fill full time hours , in fact they only fill a few hours per week. So suggesting that those tasks are equal to working full time is silly

I don't think anyone is suggesting that. And besides, it's irrelevant.

Presumably the OP's DH is happy for OP not to work and to stay at home. Not least because he gets to treat her like his servant.

The easiest solution to this wouldn't be for OP to take on even more work for herself in the form of paid employment; it would be for her DH to stop being such an entitled man-baby and treat his DW with some respect.

Chickenkeev · 02/11/2023 17:12

@HunterBidensBurnerPhone can I just say, bravo for the username. It gave me a well needed chuckle. Thanks!

Itsjustagoogleaway · 02/11/2023 17:32

Has he found it yet OP
Maybe you could go instead as you know where yours is.
Might be a nice break.

perfectstorm · 02/11/2023 17:44

Hobbitfeet32 · 02/11/2023 16:36

He shouldn’t be speaking to you disrespectfully however it’s not a massive issue inconvenience to help someone you supposedly love find something . Everyone can get a bit snappy when feeling under pressure. Hopefully at times when you feel under pressure he doesn’t throw it in your face that he earns the money and that ‘he’s not your dad for providing the finances’.

with regards to the tasks that you stated OP, all of those can be managed by working parents and do not require one parent to not work in order to manage them

A friend is a consultant in the NHS. She has given up work, after initially trying part time, because her disabled child's needs are incompatible with a career. I know several women in the same boat. I can count six just off the top of my head, right now.

You could literally not do what many parents do, with high needs disability, and work, in a paid sense, too. Sleeplessness is part of it, as is the child's frequent inability to attend school at all, as are endless appointments (physio, OT, SLT, EP, audiology, ophthalmology, orthopaedics, play therapy, art therapy, paediatrics, GP, ATS, DCYPS, school... because co-morbidities are very common with SEN, and so needs in one area may mean needs in others are found) and there are an increasing number of kids out of school altogether, because the country is many thousands of specialist school places short, and mainstream schools have raised the drawbridge and systematically say they can't meet needs.

It's also just a different parenting experience. As my consultant friend told me, "I spent 15 years in clinics telling parents all they needed was to be a good enough parent... but with autism, that's bullshit! You lose your temper, or forget to plan and scaffold, or to have a Plan B, and the week is a write-off!"

It is not the same. Everything is much harder work. Everything takes longer, including the time a child will take to recover emotionally, if a parent who hasn't slept in weeks loses their temper and raises their voice. That doesn't mean it isn't at times fun and rewarding and that there aren't highs - my kids are, also, brilliant and hilarious and endearing and fascinating. It's just different, and in some ways a lot more demanding.

Routines are not flexible in our house. We have to allow an additional 20 minutes to leave the house to allow for them. If my husband expected me to cater to man-baby tendencies on top I think I would fucking lose the will to live. As it is, he's an ally and support, which is what keeps the show on the road. I am never so grateful for having married my college boyfriend, and former friend, and for having kids only after years together first, as when things go wrong in this house I am not alone in dealing with them, even if that means a hug and a cuppa when he gets in from work and learns what's happened that day, on the bad days - and his delight when the kids have something brilliant to be proud of on the good ones, too.

I don't actually spend much time with parents whose kids don't have SEN any more, because the lack of comprehension is too exhausting. But I do in fact work - as a volunteer SEN supporter, as I have a couple of law degrees and know the system very well... and it is infinitely flexible, so I can fit it around the kids.

I doubt many here would regard that as valid, though. I mean, it's unpaid. I could earn doing it; there are plenty of advocates who do. But I regard that as exploitative, given what most parents really need from me is to feel less alone, and like someone understands and cares, and if they pay anyone, it should be the experts and lawyers they need, in a system that deliberately avoids complying with the law (as nothing is cheaper for a Local Authority than giving a disabled child nothing at all - and if you think that's cynical, then lucky, lucky you in your ignorant bliss).

Ignore those who sneer at what you do, OP, just because they don't comprehend a world beyond their own noses, so assume your own life in some way resembles their own, and that your mental and physical load is the same as the one that can be neatly dovetailed around a working life in paid employment. They have no clue what our lives are. But your peers - your real peers, the many women, and some men, walking in your shoes - do. They get it.

I see you, OP. And I am so sorry you don't have the support from your children's father that you deserve to have.

perfectstorm · 02/11/2023 17:52

EHCPs are only awarded for high needs disability, btw. The vast majority of disabled children are expected to have needs met within mainstream general provision, assisted by what is called the 'notional SEN budget'. By definition, the provision from a school over and above the standard offer must exceed £6000 a year before an EHCP can even be considered, and that will not include things the NHS/CYPS should be providing - just the learning support needed.

If the OP has a child with an EHCP, as she states, then it's a high needs situation. The funding used is even referred to as 'the high needs block'.

Fuckedoffwithtwats · 02/11/2023 17:54

perfectstorm · 02/11/2023 17:44

A friend is a consultant in the NHS. She has given up work, after initially trying part time, because her disabled child's needs are incompatible with a career. I know several women in the same boat. I can count six just off the top of my head, right now.

You could literally not do what many parents do, with high needs disability, and work, in a paid sense, too. Sleeplessness is part of it, as is the child's frequent inability to attend school at all, as are endless appointments (physio, OT, SLT, EP, audiology, ophthalmology, orthopaedics, play therapy, art therapy, paediatrics, GP, ATS, DCYPS, school... because co-morbidities are very common with SEN, and so needs in one area may mean needs in others are found) and there are an increasing number of kids out of school altogether, because the country is many thousands of specialist school places short, and mainstream schools have raised the drawbridge and systematically say they can't meet needs.

It's also just a different parenting experience. As my consultant friend told me, "I spent 15 years in clinics telling parents all they needed was to be a good enough parent... but with autism, that's bullshit! You lose your temper, or forget to plan and scaffold, or to have a Plan B, and the week is a write-off!"

It is not the same. Everything is much harder work. Everything takes longer, including the time a child will take to recover emotionally, if a parent who hasn't slept in weeks loses their temper and raises their voice. That doesn't mean it isn't at times fun and rewarding and that there aren't highs - my kids are, also, brilliant and hilarious and endearing and fascinating. It's just different, and in some ways a lot more demanding.

Routines are not flexible in our house. We have to allow an additional 20 minutes to leave the house to allow for them. If my husband expected me to cater to man-baby tendencies on top I think I would fucking lose the will to live. As it is, he's an ally and support, which is what keeps the show on the road. I am never so grateful for having married my college boyfriend, and former friend, and for having kids only after years together first, as when things go wrong in this house I am not alone in dealing with them, even if that means a hug and a cuppa when he gets in from work and learns what's happened that day, on the bad days - and his delight when the kids have something brilliant to be proud of on the good ones, too.

I don't actually spend much time with parents whose kids don't have SEN any more, because the lack of comprehension is too exhausting. But I do in fact work - as a volunteer SEN supporter, as I have a couple of law degrees and know the system very well... and it is infinitely flexible, so I can fit it around the kids.

I doubt many here would regard that as valid, though. I mean, it's unpaid. I could earn doing it; there are plenty of advocates who do. But I regard that as exploitative, given what most parents really need from me is to feel less alone, and like someone understands and cares, and if they pay anyone, it should be the experts and lawyers they need, in a system that deliberately avoids complying with the law (as nothing is cheaper for a Local Authority than giving a disabled child nothing at all - and if you think that's cynical, then lucky, lucky you in your ignorant bliss).

Ignore those who sneer at what you do, OP, just because they don't comprehend a world beyond their own noses, so assume your own life in some way resembles their own, and that your mental and physical load is the same as the one that can be neatly dovetailed around a working life in paid employment. They have no clue what our lives are. But your peers - your real peers, the many women, and some men, walking in your shoes - do. They get it.

I see you, OP. And I am so sorry you don't have the support from your children's father that you deserve to have.

Thankyou so much. That’s made me cry because you just get it . I was almost at the point feeling I’d have to post my daily schedules on here and dc / my mums diagnoses to get other posters to understand

OP posts:
Icefoot · 02/11/2023 17:54

Meh, it's not your job to help him, but I'd help someone I loved who was stressed over something, as I'd expect him to help me.

NutellaRose · 02/11/2023 22:32

Whalewatchers · 02/11/2023 12:52

Even if he blamed you for the fact it was missing?!

Ah, missed that bit! Perhaps not then 😂

IndysMamaRex · 02/11/2023 22:43

It’s false incompetence & he needs to learn the hard way to be more on top of things. Your not his PA your his wife & while you do your bit for the family he needs to stop being a child & stop excepting his wife to basically be his mum aswell. Hope he finds his passport. Offer help in this instance as it’s something important but going forward your not responsible for him he’s a grown man

Fraggeek · 02/11/2023 22:52

perfectstorm · 02/11/2023 17:44

A friend is a consultant in the NHS. She has given up work, after initially trying part time, because her disabled child's needs are incompatible with a career. I know several women in the same boat. I can count six just off the top of my head, right now.

You could literally not do what many parents do, with high needs disability, and work, in a paid sense, too. Sleeplessness is part of it, as is the child's frequent inability to attend school at all, as are endless appointments (physio, OT, SLT, EP, audiology, ophthalmology, orthopaedics, play therapy, art therapy, paediatrics, GP, ATS, DCYPS, school... because co-morbidities are very common with SEN, and so needs in one area may mean needs in others are found) and there are an increasing number of kids out of school altogether, because the country is many thousands of specialist school places short, and mainstream schools have raised the drawbridge and systematically say they can't meet needs.

It's also just a different parenting experience. As my consultant friend told me, "I spent 15 years in clinics telling parents all they needed was to be a good enough parent... but with autism, that's bullshit! You lose your temper, or forget to plan and scaffold, or to have a Plan B, and the week is a write-off!"

It is not the same. Everything is much harder work. Everything takes longer, including the time a child will take to recover emotionally, if a parent who hasn't slept in weeks loses their temper and raises their voice. That doesn't mean it isn't at times fun and rewarding and that there aren't highs - my kids are, also, brilliant and hilarious and endearing and fascinating. It's just different, and in some ways a lot more demanding.

Routines are not flexible in our house. We have to allow an additional 20 minutes to leave the house to allow for them. If my husband expected me to cater to man-baby tendencies on top I think I would fucking lose the will to live. As it is, he's an ally and support, which is what keeps the show on the road. I am never so grateful for having married my college boyfriend, and former friend, and for having kids only after years together first, as when things go wrong in this house I am not alone in dealing with them, even if that means a hug and a cuppa when he gets in from work and learns what's happened that day, on the bad days - and his delight when the kids have something brilliant to be proud of on the good ones, too.

I don't actually spend much time with parents whose kids don't have SEN any more, because the lack of comprehension is too exhausting. But I do in fact work - as a volunteer SEN supporter, as I have a couple of law degrees and know the system very well... and it is infinitely flexible, so I can fit it around the kids.

I doubt many here would regard that as valid, though. I mean, it's unpaid. I could earn doing it; there are plenty of advocates who do. But I regard that as exploitative, given what most parents really need from me is to feel less alone, and like someone understands and cares, and if they pay anyone, it should be the experts and lawyers they need, in a system that deliberately avoids complying with the law (as nothing is cheaper for a Local Authority than giving a disabled child nothing at all - and if you think that's cynical, then lucky, lucky you in your ignorant bliss).

Ignore those who sneer at what you do, OP, just because they don't comprehend a world beyond their own noses, so assume your own life in some way resembles their own, and that your mental and physical load is the same as the one that can be neatly dovetailed around a working life in paid employment. They have no clue what our lives are. But your peers - your real peers, the many women, and some men, walking in your shoes - do. They get it.

I see you, OP. And I am so sorry you don't have the support from your children's father that you deserve to have.

Everything I wanted to say, you said it first. The only 2 points I'd add are that her child has an ehcp, so clearly has high needs. More so than other SEN children who don't need as much support. So indeed she has a lot on her plate. I have one of those high need children. I'm having to give up work because I'm having to leave so frequently now. So I get how difficult it may be for the OP.
Secondly, she's also caring for her mum. She has a hell of a lot on her plate. Her DH was insisting she help look, yet she had to get her mum to a hospital appointment. So many are missing that's she's not just sat watching him. She has other things that take priority.

If he moved it when sorting the details for the flight and didn't put it somewhere safe/back where it was, that's on him.

I'm hoping he's found it so OP can have peace away from the manchild for the weekend 🤣

Canisaysomething · 02/11/2023 23:09

I did tell him to make sure he kept all the things for this in ONE place with his passport

That does sound like you are his PA. Why not write your own job description and show it to him and discuss. It sounds like a joke but actually you wouldn’t do a paid job without a clear description of what you are and aren’t expected to do, why not draft one for your current role.

Duechristmas · 02/11/2023 23:11

Mine didn't visit his family abroad for 12 years, it was only after 12 years I explained that I'd stopped booking trips which is why he hadn't been. I find letters unsent, he once forgot to pay his tax but he's an adult, so he has to live with the consequences. We are partners, not their mothers.

AutumnFroglets · 02/11/2023 23:46

I finally found my bank card OP, and started thinking of you. Has he apologised to you yet for him blaming you? Hopefully it's found by now and you'll have a few days of peace.

toxic44 · 03/11/2023 18:38

I'd help him look for it if only for the pleasure of reminding him the while that it was a pity he doesn't keep things in an organised fashion. And what joy if you find it where he has already 'searched'!

Lindyloomillion1 · 03/11/2023 19:27

I would help him look as I would for anyone I cared about. I couldn't bear to see them stressed out about it.
The wider point about being treated like a PA you deal with when the panic's over.

Toomuchtrouble4me · 03/11/2023 19:36

I list DH’s and we found it the after the new one arrived. It was under the pc where I’d used it for ID. Worth checking around pc?

Ferretbitme · 03/11/2023 19:39

I scream ‘I’m not your PA!’ At my husband on a regular basis and I work full time (not that that’s relevant, neither of us should be a PA!)

BarelyCoping123 · 03/11/2023 20:12

Outandontheotherside · 02/11/2023 12:43

Not a PA but surely as someone who is at home when he's working you could help your husband like any normal person would do?? Why do you feel you shouldn't have to help him?

Agree with this.

K2054 · 03/11/2023 20:16

As this is a work trip though, is it worth the argument? He is obviously stressed at not being able to find it with such a short time left to go. I would help him look, and I would hope he'd apologise for his outburst when he'd calmed down.

Also as a work trip, isn't it in both your interests that he manages to go? Won't there be repercussions of him not going, possibly financially for both of you?

I totally get how angry it can make you when your partner is ranting and you're sure it's his fault, but I think it would be better to help him with this. If however he doesn't apologise when he's calmed down, then I would be upset.

wildwestpioneer · 03/11/2023 20:23

Ihateslugs · 02/11/2023 11:25

I think however annoyed I felt, I would still help him look for his passport if I was at home and had time. It’s a work trip so obviously important rather than a social jaunt when it might be OK to leave him to sort it out. But then I have always been a walk over type of person!

I think there's a difference between helping someone look who's not blaming anyone, to wanting to help someone who's responsible for it, but blaming you for losing it, or rather lashing out.

I'd happily help my dh look for his lost things, of which there are many, but if he ever blamed me for it he'd get no help at all.

PeppermintPaddy1 · 03/11/2023 20:28

There is something very wearing about an adult unwilling to take responsibility for their own life administration. Feeling the consequences is probably a good starting point. You've already suggested keeping the documents safe, and that was ignored. It will be kinder to everyone in the household in the long run, if you just let him suffer the consequences. Otherwise you are just facilitating this learned helplessness. I hope you also train your kids to take responsibility for their stuff too. The other adult role model in the house isn't the way you want them to go.

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