To think most female prisoners are sad rather than bad?

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Watching Time. Obviously I’m saying most and some will be bad. Some will be sad and bad. But it has always seemed to me most are likely to be really vulnerable. No expert though.

I think it's an extremely complex matter. The vast majority of DV is bidirectional and according to research about 40% of traffickers are women (they're much better at luring in vulnerable females than men are).

Rubbish!!

I actually think a lot of victims would be interested in this, Y’know, most people would want to raise other people up. Particularly if they had been exploited, trafficked, or endentured into modern slavery

Honestly if someone hurt a member of my family to the extent they were jailed for the crime I wouldn't give a flying fuck as to what drove them to their actions.

@ElevenSeven I don’t think you’d be expected to, but equally, as a society it wouldn’t be wise to respond to every crime as if the victim was one of our friends or family members. And it also assumes that there is a victim. While I would agree that true victimless crime is rare, I do think it is possible - even easy - for there to be more than one victim.

Bet none of you would be so sympathetic if it was a woman who robbed your elderly granny and left her severely traumatised and in fear of her life would you

Do you ever comment on the Daily Mail articles you read?

I genuinely can’t believe you don’t care that some women are coerced into offending because they are threatened with rape, or because stealing is preferable to prostitution. You are one of life’s absolute gems.

I do know that when women go to prison, family life falls apart. It’s catastrophic for children in a way it isn’t when the dad goes to jail.

I'm not so sure. Lack of a male role model has repeatedly been shown to be a HUGE factor in men growing up to become criminal/violent. Perhaps the single biggest factor.

I wish you would read more widely, particularly outside of your right wing echo chamber. It will be enlightening for you and you will be a better person because of it. Your ignorance of so much shines through your comments.

The back story doesn't make any difference to the punishment though. I don't really care what happened to Emma Tustin or Joanna Denehy for example, there are no excuses for their crimes.

That’s more a general sort of problem though @LadyThatLaunches and not limited to men in prison (I know you weren’t suggesting it was.)

I suppose what I mean is it’s easy to imagine a scenario where children live with mum in social housing and she goes to prison and the home is lost and the children go into care and all the resulting chaos from that, whereas if dad goes to prison while no one is suggesting it isn’t horribly upsetting it isn’t disruptive in quite the same way. And most single parent families are headed by women: I don’t think anyone could argue with that.

I also don’t think many women are imprisoned for walloping elderly grannies.

Not sure this thread is about people
like that. More about the women who are coerced into hiding drugs or those involved in county lines because they’ve been groomed. Those afraid of being forced into prostitution if they don’t pick enough pockets in Marble Arch. Women who buy food rather than council tax or those trapped in addiction who can’t prioritise their TV licence.

I wish you would read more widely, particularly outside of your right wing echo chamber. It will be enlightening for you and you will be a better person because of it. Your ignorance of so much shines through your comments

Ignorant for saying I'd have no sympathy for someone who injured my family member. Maybe you should realise not all women are victims and some are actually just nasty criminals who deserve jail time

Disagreeing with your point of view doesn't make me ignorant

As for right wing - fuck off

This website might be of interest to some of you https://cleanbreak.org.uk

I agree with @Kedece2410, if someone hurt me or a member of my family hearing a sob story wouldn't make any difference to me and I would want them to get the maximum punishment possible regardless of background

Women are much less likely to get custodial sentences than men (for the offences that are most often committed by women). Tap on the image for the graph.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm5803/cmselect/cmjust/265/report.html

Maybe non payment of council tax or. Tv licence are just the index offence but they reoffend again....and again.... get recalled etc, had many many chances

You won't know the full picture unless you read their prison file

Prisoners aren't always truthful and won't tell you the ins and outs....so don't feel TOO sorry for them

Nope, I don’t care. Let prison be their circuit-breaker. I don’t want to hear their sob stories with a view to reduced sentencing.

Do the crime, do the time. They can reflect on their life choices while they’re in there. If they’ve been pressured against their will as you say, prison is the perfect time to get them away from the man forcing them to commit crimes they didn’t want to commit.

Well the post I was replying to was about heinous crimes

The majority of those in prison have had traumatic experiences in their Iives, including childhood abuse & domestic violence, this includes men. Loosing your father very young seems to be far more common than the national average too.

I'm defending criminals but when you hear stories (though my old work I heard them first hand) you can see that their criminality didn't come out of nowhere

A lot of serial killers or sex offenders/paedos were abused as a child themselves. The reality prisons and of repeated patterns.

don't be daft, no one goes to prison for not paying their TV licence

I suppose what I mean is it’s easy to imagine a scenario where children live with mum in social housing and she goes to prison and the home is lost and the children go into care and all the resulting chaos from that, whereas if dad goes to prison while no one is suggesting it isn’t horribly upsetting it isn’t disruptive in quite the same way. And most single parent families are headed by women: I don’t think anyone could argue with that.

Yes, most single parent families are indeed headed by women, but if a single dad went to prison I can imagine the same end result.

I also don’t think many women are imprisoned for walloping elderly grannies.

Tbf, I don't think many men are either. I've certainly never met one.

Wow. I’m ashamed on your behalf. And we wonder why the tories are still in power.

Privilege is having choices, not making the right ones.

I'm sure I've read that some actually do tbf.

But yes it does sound a bit extreme.