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WTF has happened to Mumsnet?

267 replies

Humblebottomous · 29/10/2023 08:45

First we had troll posts, then massive influx of posters from the US (frankly I found it annoying negotiating the different reference points) and now all these ridiculous AI threads which seem to consist of long winded posts about non-problems.

I’ve been on and off MN for years but does anyone else feel it really has had it’s day.

OP posts:
VisionsOfSplendour · 29/10/2023 10:46

ColleenDonaghy · 29/10/2023 10:02

The UK does not equal England.

I live in NI and grew up in Ireland, I haven't the foggiest idea about the English school system. In most cases, just using the child's age is fine.

The school year of the child is usually said on posts about school related matters and using the age of the child could be very misleading 4 year olds, 11 year olds and 16 year olds could be in totally different stages of education in the UK where most posters are based

Obviously it would a bit daft to define a child by school year on a post for example about what they like for breakfast

BarbaraofSeville · 29/10/2023 10:47

Itsnotchristmasyet · 29/10/2023 10:36

I think Americans do have kettles?
Or at least some of the ones I’ve seen on TV do but they could be quite a new thing over there.

But they don’t typically drink hot tea.
Thats a very British thing (or Asian thing).

I watched a programme where they went to a British pub in America which served hot tea and they were horrified as they had only ever had iced tea and it was so weird to them to drink it hot.

I've spent the last few months watching the Big Bang Theory and one thing I've noticed is that they drink more tea than anyone else I've ever seen on US TV.

But even though they show them making it, I can't think for the life of me how they do it, so that's something for me to check out next time I watch it.

Pipistrellus · 29/10/2023 10:48

Loubelle70 · 29/10/2023 10:41

Age of poster says a lot...im confused by years..im uk..in secondary it was year 1 , 2, 3,4, 5 , 6th form. Its all changed now..even im 😒.

Was it 'year' in secondary when the numbers started over? I thought it was 'form'.

OneTC · 29/10/2023 10:48

I'm sure some people use AI to write their posts but that's not the same as AI generated or bot generated. They might have fed it the story and asked AI to write it up.

I've found that if I leave a post totally up to chatGPT then the results are awful but if you prompt it enough then it'll make something good.

These are just experiments btw I have never posted any actual chatGPT output to here

Humblebottomous · 29/10/2023 10:48

fluffypotatoes · 29/10/2023 09:01

What's wrong with Americans?

Nothing as such however America is miles away from the UK geographically. Then there’s the completely different medical system, etc etc. The number of times I’ve opened a thread started by an American, then realised I am unable to comment because I have no knowledge of American law etc.

Yes Americans use the English language but that’s about all we share as far I’m concerned.

I’d rather we had more EU posters.

OP posts:
AFieldGuideToTrees · 29/10/2023 10:50

IvorTheEngineDriver · 29/10/2023 08:59

It's nowhere near as light-hearted as it was when I first joined in 2014.

To be fair, life isn't either.

Perhaps MN is just reflecting our less exuberant society as it is at the moment.

Loubelle70 · 29/10/2023 10:50

Pipistrellus · 29/10/2023 10:48

Was it 'year' in secondary when the numbers started over? I thought it was 'form'.

First year, 2nd year, so forth

Davros · 29/10/2023 10:51

Talking of Americans and their wine, I suggest watching the film Bottleshock.
I think they put their "tea kettles" on the top of the cooker.

AsWrittenBy · 29/10/2023 10:51

Itsnotchristmasyet · 29/10/2023 10:07

A bus almost crashed into her because it came flying down the slip road out of no where and didn’t bother checking before speeding out.

The only thing she could do was break, which she did.

The police involved also said OP was 100% in the right and bus driver was wrong.

Any poster trying to say she should have done X, Y or Z were just being complete dicks because she had explained it all.

I dont want to get into it again, but firstly, only the op said she phoned the police and they said she was right. So who knows what really happened, and secondly normally a bus does not fly out of nowhere on a slip road, and she could have mitigated the risk by paying more attention.

Yes the bus was wrong, but the op doesn't come out smelling of roses.

MorvernBlack · 29/10/2023 10:51

ColleenDonaghy · 29/10/2023 10:02

The UK does not equal England.

I live in NI and grew up in Ireland, I haven't the foggiest idea about the English school system. In most cases, just using the child's age is fine.

But there is the assumption that you are lying, because what you are saying doesn't happen in England and then there is the resultant pile on.
There's a lot more to even the British Isles than just England.
There's a vocal of MNers who can't seem to understand thatpdifferent locations result in different lifestyles...Why can't you catch the bus (what bus?), why didn't you choose a different school (what school choice?), that's against the law (different parts of the British Isles have different laws) and so on and so on.

ilovesooty · 29/10/2023 10:52

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 29/10/2023 10:29

I find the xenophobes more annoying than the Americans, personally.

Absolutely.

SerendipityJane · 29/10/2023 10:53

mn29 · 29/10/2023 10:37

It’s really not a narrow viewpoint when the majority of posters are English/living in England - others are of course free to join in but the references will be those common to the majority. If it helps, add five years to the school year, then you will have the age of the child by the end of the school year/August. Eg year 6 +5 = age 11.

When I went to school - in London - we started aged 12 in the "second year". None of this "year whatever malarkey". Proceeded up to the fifth year aged 16, which then made the move to sixth form college much more logical.

Four years in primary, four years in middle, and four years in High school. Which was what was written on the sign by the gates.

Had a few arguments over the years where I have been told I didn't go to high school since we don't do them in England.

Pipistrellus · 29/10/2023 10:55

Loubelle70 · 29/10/2023 10:50

First year, 2nd year, so forth

So 'year 4' would still be primary school, 'fourth year' secondary?

MorvernBlack · 29/10/2023 10:57

As an American resident in the UK for nearly 20 years, my thought is, thank God for that (specific to you, OP, not the UK population in general). The day I turn into a small-minded little Englander is the day I need to move on.

We don't all feel like this, although living in the UK I'm sure you know that! I'd be so much the poorer without American friends and my travels there. There are some small minded posters on MN.

SerendipityJane · 29/10/2023 10:57

Pipistrellus · 29/10/2023 10:55

So 'year 4' would still be primary school, 'fourth year' secondary?

Makes sense to me. Growing up:

first year - fourth year in primary
first year - fourth year in middle
second year - fifth year in high

You left high school aged 16 to either go into work, or onto sixth form. Which were separate colleges not attached to schools.

EtiennePalmiere · 29/10/2023 10:59

Surely it's because mumsnet has become more well known, I think they started on Facebook recently? There's more men probably too, but they can add value in some of the threads like relationships. Just no one from Reddit please!

Anyone American or otherwise should keep in mind that's it's UK centric while posting, however I think it's still fairly homogeneous, mostly white, English, fairly well off, etc.

Btw off the top of my head recent threads include posters wondering about traditional thanksgiving meals, what to wear to an American beach wedding and NYC and Disney tips, so I imagine some people here appreciate an American perspective.

TooBigForMyBoots · 29/10/2023 10:59

Everyone knows Americans aren't real. They're just a story device, that's why you only see them in films and on TV.

Loubelle70 · 29/10/2023 11:00

Pipistrellus · 29/10/2023 10:55

So 'year 4' would still be primary school, 'fourth year' secondary?

Not at time, it just used to be name of teacher when in primary..like mr greens class. There wasnt years in primary then etc. It was only when secondary we called it first year etc

Itsnotchristmasyet · 29/10/2023 11:00

BarbaraofSeville · 29/10/2023 10:47

I've spent the last few months watching the Big Bang Theory and one thing I've noticed is that they drink more tea than anyone else I've ever seen on US TV.

But even though they show them making it, I can't think for the life of me how they do it, so that's something for me to check out next time I watch it.

Oh do they!

Perhaps they heat it on the stove or something.

Pipistrellus · 29/10/2023 11:02

Loubelle70 · 29/10/2023 11:00

Not at time, it just used to be name of teacher when in primary..like mr greens class. There wasnt years in primary then etc. It was only when secondary we called it first year etc

When was this? I remember being in year one the year I turned 5 then year one again when I think the system was standardised.

CheezePleeze · 29/10/2023 11:02

Humblebottomous · 29/10/2023 10:48

Nothing as such however America is miles away from the UK geographically. Then there’s the completely different medical system, etc etc. The number of times I’ve opened a thread started by an American, then realised I am unable to comment because I have no knowledge of American law etc.

Yes Americans use the English language but that’s about all we share as far I’m concerned.

I’d rather we had more EU posters.

The number of times I’ve opened a thread started by an American, then realised I am unable to comment because I have no knowledge of American law etc.

Devastating for both you and Mumsnet.

mn29 · 29/10/2023 11:03

SerendipityJane · 29/10/2023 10:53

When I went to school - in London - we started aged 12 in the "second year". None of this "year whatever malarkey". Proceeded up to the fifth year aged 16, which then made the move to sixth form college much more logical.

Four years in primary, four years in middle, and four years in High school. Which was what was written on the sign by the gates.

Had a few arguments over the years where I have been told I didn't go to high school since we don't do them in England.

The current way of numbering school years in England has been used since 1989/90 I believe- the 1988 education reform act. So it’s very much the norm now and widely understood by anyone who went to school during/since that time and/or had children at school in the last 35 years.

wayyour · 29/10/2023 11:04

I didn't notice an influx of Americans, but have spotted the numerous AI threads.There's always been trolls, but I don't know if that's any worse than it used to be.

Itsnotchristmasyet · 29/10/2023 11:04

AsWrittenBy · 29/10/2023 10:51

I dont want to get into it again, but firstly, only the op said she phoned the police and they said she was right. So who knows what really happened, and secondly normally a bus does not fly out of nowhere on a slip road, and she could have mitigated the risk by paying more attention.

Yes the bus was wrong, but the op doesn't come out smelling of roses.

There were multiple posts saying how the same thing had happened to them.

A similar thing happened to me too with a Range Rover but I too slammed on my breaks as OP did but fortunately there was an undercover police officer in the middle lane overtaking me and saw everything and pulled him over to find he was pissed.

OP did absolutely nothing wrong and anyone who says otherwise is either stupid, trying to be controversial for an argument or doesn’t drive.

I’m not sure which one you are.