What is this new form of slobdom?

[Theokaycokey]

Staying at a seaside resort in the UK. Large Hotel has a massive open atrium that is overlooked by hotel rooms and anyone walking along the promenade. The hotel restaurant is located smack bang in the middle of the atrium and is open to the reception area. I come down to breakfast this morning and a significant number of guests are sat in their pyjamas having their breakfast! Different families, all scattered around the restaurant or queuing at the breakfast buffet in their nightwear and fluffy slippers. This is the first time that I have come across this. Is it a relatively recent phenomenon?

There are so many loose, stretch-waisted trousers on the market now made of lovely soft, flowing fabrics that I just don't get the pjs thing. You can be very comfortable indeed either at home or away in a t-shirt or jumper and a pair of trousers which are as comfortable as pjs, but are actually designed for public appearances. So the 'my pjs are comfortable' argument falls down flat.

The whole point is that you won't have just slept in them and will have probably washed before putting them on.

Sadly bedroom wear has become every day clothing.
I have to get showered and dressed as soon as I wake u less I'm terribly unwell. I also don't change out of my clothes until I'm ready to get into bed
My daughter on the other hand will only wear pyjamas unless we are going out for the day or she has to go to school.
She's neurodiverse and will follow tiktok or Instagram trends.
I now hate having people visit as I don't see it as appropriate.

When we stay in hotels no one is going to breakfast until they are washed and dressed, get up earlier if breakfast is only served until a certain time

@CoffeeCantata - it's not a given that driving a nice car and earning a good wedge means that people have thus attitude of "I don't care". It is possible to do well, dress well, and treat others well. I do.

I’d never promote anyone who joined a work call in anything less than business casual. Just wouldn’t. If you don’t have any self respect why should I respect you. Simple.

Do you ask them to stand up in case they are wearing 'business casual' on top and PJs on the bottom half?

I'm currently wearing grey t-shirt and leggings with a hoodie. The t-shirt is clean and reasonably smart and no one knows about the cat print leggings so so what?

It depends what you think is normal though. My family would never eat breakfast in PJs. Its not the way I was brought up.

I mean normal for people in general; not necessarily for you or your family.

We were in the Mandarin Oriental in a very well to do Asian country pre covid and a number of guests came down in pyjamas. Shorts and tops all looked as if they’d be slept in! I think it’s really poor.

Were they all/mostly people from that country or were they all/mainly westerners?

I do hope this isn't a case of going to somebody else's country and then telling them that they're doing their own culture 'wrong'.

@bombastix
Of course. But I was commenting on the correlation which that specific pp made between high income and feeling uninhibited by convention.

I thought it sounded try hard. Six figures and you can be an arse. fgs

Yep.

I don’t want someone else’s bumjuices on the bacon tongs, especially if I’ve splashed out on a premium double with bathrobe and complementary welcome drink.

@WinterDeWinter I've never seen anyone wipe the tongs on their butthole at a hotel buffet. exaggeration, much?

I personally do not consider making value judgements of others based on what they are wearing to buy a pint of milk is in any way an example of someone with the qualities of humility, thoughtfulness and consideration of others. People who display those qualities, in my experience, tend not to engage in superficial judgements of total strangers.
Those are the people I think we need more of. I am not one of those people, anything like as much as I should be, but I think it is something we should all aspire to.

Some of the most vile people wear sharp suits. Some people we might see as slobs with no self-respect are beautiful people who do more for others than most. In fact, most of the people I know who do things for others, not for themselves, don't think much about how they dress/look to others. Not because they have oodles of money that gives them a 'sod you' attitude, but because their life isn't all about making a good impression for their own benefit.
It's about doing a useful thing for someone else for their benefit.
Those people are rare. I have been lucky to know a few. If they were the people who had a say in where others worked, lived, etc, it truly would be a better world. But because the people who control those things concern themselves with petty value judgements, those who wish to attain the same status will, of course, pander to that. Not for the benefit of those around them, but to benefit themselves, to move up the ladder.
It's just the way the world is. Maybe when we stop pretending this sort of behaviour has anything to do with humility and consideration for others, it might change. In the meantime, we will all continue to think wearing PJs at a hotel breakfast is a much more significant event than it actually is, and continue to think it says something about others whilst failing to see what our reaction to it says about ourselves.

Each to their own, I wouldn’t do it but I wouldn’t care if others did 🤷🏻‍♀️

It’s funny cause I think the opposite. It shows a glaring lack of respect for the other people that they meet that they cannot be bothered to dress for them. You wouldn’t turn up to a wedding in PJs - it would be so disrespectful- and so in a minor way is not bothering to perform the most basic of basic functions and simply get dressed in the morning.

Some of the most vile people wear sharp suits. Some people we might see as slobs with no self-respect are beautiful people who do more for others than most.

I think you find good/nice and horrible people in all walks of life and in all kinds of clothes. I don't think anyone's saying people who wear night-wear in public are horrible people, or people who have no worth.

I think some pps are over-thinking this. It's basically a question of: do you mind seeing people in their nighties/pjs in public spaces or not? That's nothing to do with the personal worth, virtue or otherwise of those people. It's about the clothes versus night-wear dichotomy, not about smart, expensive clothes versus casual or cheaper clothes. I don't mind what people wear in public as long as it's not undies/night-wear - that's just too 'intimate and private' for me.

If people don't want to get dressed for breakfast, why don't they order it in their rooms? Not very pleasant for the rest of us to have to witness your rumpled sleep attire and unwashed faces whilst trying to enjoy our own breakfast.

These folk on their holidays wearing their skimpy jammies to breakfast are not disabled, they just don’t give a crap! That’s their prerogative, but they will be judged for it. Some people out and about in their dressing gowns obviously have mental health or general health issues, but I don’t think that is the point of this thread. You are taking unnecessary offence.

As long as you don’t poop or wee or go anywhere else no reason to shower. I shower twice a day ….. once before work and after work I also clean my bedding twice a week some people are discussing

Why yes, I do believe it IS ironic exaggeration, Sherlock.

DD - early 20s - wears pj bottoms as trousers. I find it odd!!

Even your underwear? Ewwwwww.

I agree with @Utterbunkum. Why do you care? Being so judgemental isn’t a very becoming trait. I’d rather hang out with the uninhibited pyjama wearers, but then again I am one. I’ve worn PJs to a hotel breakfast and to the shop - I’m sure some people have seen me going to Tesco at 10pm for some bread with greasy hair and bear-print pyjamas and assumed I’m the local crackhead, when I’m actually a home owning professional in the higher rate tax band (not that it matters). But guess what, I don’t care! Genuinely couldn’t give a stuff what opinions strangers want to form of me based on any aspect of my appearance. I’ve also got tattoos which according to some on here mean I’m unemployable and probably have criminal record or engage in sex work.

Oh my what a lot of stuck up snobs we have here today. It’s 2023 ‘class’ doesn’t exist - neither does ‘etiquette’ thank crunchie and people can wear whatever they want wherever they want - unless of course there is a dress code - because wearing pjs or not the customer is always right & has paid the same as you!

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How can you tell the difference between a clean and unwashed face?

Exactly. I don't wear makeup so there's no difference before and after washing my face. I'll probably now be told I'm a slob for not wearing make up!

Leggings and a jumper, or tee shirts and tracksuit bottoms are surely (while not my cup of tea) just as comfy as pjs but are actual clean day time clothes.

And how, pray tell, do you know they are "actual clean day time clothes"? They could have been worn every day for the previous two weeks, while the pjs could be fresh on that day.

Sorry, I can't help but think those who believe everyone who is dressed is clean, while those who wear pjs are dirty, is living in fantasyland.