What is this new form of slobdom?

[Theokaycokey]

Staying at a seaside resort in the UK. Large Hotel has a massive open atrium that is overlooked by hotel rooms and anyone walking along the promenade. The hotel restaurant is located smack bang in the middle of the atrium and is open to the reception area. I come down to breakfast this morning and a significant number of guests are sat in their pyjamas having their breakfast! Different families, all scattered around the restaurant or queuing at the breakfast buffet in their nightwear and fluffy slippers. This is the first time that I have come across this. Is it a relatively recent phenomenon?

Oh yes, quality silk makes everything far more acceptable 😂😂😂

@WinterDeWinter

Very well-stated and interesting points!

@Gallapentin Well it kind of does - it sits better and isn't see through. Clothes designed for night wear are not suitable for wearing outside as they are thinner and less robust. They also tailored differently - usually a much baggier and open fit with fewer seams and fastenings - for obvious reasons.

Crikey no wonder there are so many badly dressed people about if they can't tell the difference between night wear and outdoor wear.

There are plenty of comfortable and easy to wear clothes designed for day/outdoor wear.

"yourselves and your fannies" that should have said. I don't wish to imply that anyone here has two, maybe three.

Again- there's a lot of talk of "just throw on jog bottoms/leggings" but there are many threads on here which criticise women especially for daring to wear leggings outside of the gym because they are perceived as sportswear and unfit for public consumption... or in some places as some kind of "asking for it" because they are fitted...

It just shows how different people will perceive different things as acceptable and that times they are a changing

Well, yes, we do all have different values and in my experience, people whose values make it OK to wear pyjamas in public are gross, smelly, and rude. It's not an attitude I started off with but one that's based on observation! It's a helpful sign that a hotel/holiday is not my kind of venue!

Pyjamas, of course, are unacceptable. But some hotels only have the breakfast served until 9.30 or 10.00, including weekends, so realistically, for some people (and me) the only possible option to get there on time (and have the breakfast already paid for with accommodation) is to run down with wet (washed and brushed) hair and sweatpants on. As, sadly, I don't have a maid travelling with me to help me dress in a gown and make my hair in coils. Nor do I have the willpower to wake up at 8 am after a show or whatever was the reason to visit the city.

Tbh, I'm not sure that the Grand is quite what it was any more. I went to a dinner there last year, it was distinctly mediocre and the service was no better than average.

Some of my friend's colleagues who stayed over weren't all that impressed with the rooms, either, and mega expensive.

It's still a fabulous building, but it all seemed a bit new hat and no knickers to me.

@WinterDeWinter

I understand why disabled people might find the negative comments here upsetting. At the same time, since no sane or decent person would urge disabled people to 'make more of an effort', I'd be worried about a society which cannot discuss this or any other issue because of exceptions to the rule. On the one hand it's irrational (the greatest good for the greatest number etc); and on the other no good generally comes to societies which repress whole areas of thought. This must be hard if you are one of the exceptions and feel besmirched by the general brush - but a mature society has often to make difficult decisions which rest on the lesser of two evils.

I am not upset, and I don’t have an issue with people discussing whether they think pyjamas are ok in hotel breakfast rooms. The issue is with the specific ableism- so far we have had disabled people should stay in their rooms, disabled people in care homes used as a negative comparison in order to gain cheap laughs, been told disabled people are irrelevant and the experience and reality of disabled people completely denied.

Does that seem like a healthy and useful debate to you? If you replace disabled with black would that still be ok?

No one expects people to put “not including disabled people” on every post.

@WinterDeWinter Also, if you think that only people who are insane and not decent enjoy telling disabled people that they should try harder you must live in a very different world to the one I live in.

@LakieLady - a shame. Probably best to give Brighton (at least next to the sea) a swerve. Went last year and was surprised at how scummy it had become.

how the fuck dont you have morning breath before breakfast?

It has really gone downhill over the 30-something years I've lived in Sussex. I know all town centres have struggled in recent years, but Eastbourne has actually improved in terms of its general look and feel.

But Brighton has a lot of social problems: homelessness, drugs, poverty, crime etc. It's very sad.

What a ridiculous response. I said that I didn’t believe ‘all these people’ wearing pyjamas had chronic illness. Not that I don’t believe in the reality of disabled people’s lives. I don’t have enough eyerolls for your desire to take offence where none was intended.

@Gallapentin I should have been more specific - several said upthread that expressions of disgust for pyjama'd people were ablist because that group included the subset of disabled people who couldn't easily dress; it was this idea that I was referring to, rather than active slurs on the disabled like 'should stay in their room'

The 'decent' people who attack the disabled are not decent, obviously, but I think they should be dealt with directly, rather than through a generalised moratorium. I realise this is easier said than done and that moral philosophy does not equal RL.

You would be considered such a disgraceful, filthy slut (old-fashioned meaning of the word) if your doorstep wasn't sparkling or your net curtains had lost their perfect whiteness. Never mind how much you might be struggling with pain, children, hardship, worries or any other life struggles that folk outside couldn't see; superfluous appearances that the outside judges could see were all that mattered.
Yep- they weren’t brought up to respect other people, they were brought up to feel shamed by what other people thought of them.

Yes DH and I were discussing this this morning. His mother was like this - it was all about what the neighbours thought.

Call me old fashioned, but I’d rather go to a hotel where this is NOT allowed. Mind you, before kids, we went to adults only hotels so maybe I’m uptight! I scrolled past a post upthread about no dress codes in nice hotels and being able to wear what you want. Well, I went for dinner recently in the Dorchester and there was most definitely a dress code and it was being adhered to. Same with the Ritz a year or so ago.

Hotel staff should be respected enough by their employers and supported such that they can refuse service to the people the OP describes. I doubt if they are though.

I also pity the cleaning staff as such people are probably not the cleanest in their rooms.

Disgusting.

Hotel staff should be respected enough by their employers and supported such that they can refuse service to the people the OP describes. I doubt if they are though.

I'm guessing they would mostly very much prefer a polite, quiet family in their jim jams over a sharply-dressed businessman screaming and swearing at them that he has a very important meeting and clicking his fingers to keep demanding their urgent attention.

I know it's not necessarily either/or, but I've never seen a sign up outlining an establishment's zero tolerance of pyjamas.

In my experience the more sharply dressed, the more entitled and rude they are

Well, don't most people clean their teeth and at least wash their face and hands before breakfast (apart from maybe an early tea/coffee in bed)? I know that's probably illogical, and if you're very scrupulous you'll probably brush them again afterwards, but to me it's horrible to eat before that.

I have seen it once in quite a posh hotel.

I also was recently meeting a friend of mine who is a Barrister on her lunch break and was early so decided to wait in courthouse. I witnessed an Solicitor explaining to his client that she could not appear before the judge in her pjs and could she get someone to drop in clothes to her.

Lol on the not dressing for court. Dress for court. People absolutely judge, as jurors and judges.

I worked with a woman several years ago who, like many of us in that office, would wear walking shoes for her commute and then change when she got to her desk.

Except she would change into a pair of slippers. Pink, furry, very obviously slippers. And yes, we were customer-facing - she was the receptionist 😅

No pyjamas yet, though!

Gleneagles isn't the hotel it was years ago, very much the haunt of those with more money than sense. The old clientele wouldn't be seen dead there now.

I personally couldn't care less what other diners wear, it would amuse me more than anything else.