Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

What is this new form of slobdom?

777 replies

Theokaycokey · 23/10/2023 21:17

Staying at a seaside resort in the UK. Large Hotel has a massive open atrium that is overlooked by hotel rooms and anyone walking along the promenade. The hotel restaurant is located smack bang in the middle of the atrium and is open to the reception area. I come down to breakfast this morning and a significant number of guests are sat in their pyjamas having their breakfast! Different families, all scattered around the restaurant or queuing at the breakfast buffet in their nightwear and fluffy slippers. This is the first time that I have come across this. Is it a relatively recent phenomenon?

OP posts:
AsWrittenBy · 24/10/2023 14:34

AInightingale · 24/10/2023 13:48

Well, don't most people clean their teeth and at least wash their face and hands before breakfast (apart from maybe an early tea/coffee in bed)? I know that's probably illogical, and if you're very scrupulous you'll probably brush them again afterwards, but to me it's horrible to eat before that.

you brush your teeth after breakfast, not before - if you brush before, your orange juice will taste rank

EDIT: well shit! I'm wrong ???

Brushing before breakfast will help protect your teeth against the sugary and acidic cereals. Cleaning your teeth before eating removes as much bacteria as possible, before “feeding” them even more with food you consume at breakfast time.

Gallapentin · 24/10/2023 14:35

FloweryPumpkin · 24/10/2023 12:04

What a ridiculous response. I said that I didn’t believe ‘all these people’ wearing pyjamas had chronic illness. Not that I don’t believe in the reality of disabled people’s lives. I don’t have enough eyerolls for your desire to take offence where none was intended.

I’m not offended. I’ve already said that this scenario doesn’t affect me personally, so what have I got to be offended about?

Springforward1 · 24/10/2023 14:36

MrsDaniFilth · 24/10/2023 11:23

Ah this is funny!

If I stay at the waldorf or equal - I can wear as i like. they tend to be fine with it!

anyone with proper money does not get upset about this stuff.

if i can afford the suite, i can wear what i like - within reason obvs!

Im in hysterics over the hotel things! It just shows maybe you arent as classy as you think you are!

Amusing - cheers

Interesting & exactly what my initial post adhered to. I've stayed in similar hotels on many an occasion & yes there have been people at breakfast in their night atire. This is exactly what I meant. It's as if they are saying I'm so at home here compared to you fully dressed people & by wearing my dressing gown & slippers I'm also telling you I'm more welcome than you. Whatever way you look at it the whole concept of fit healthy people wearing pyjamas in a public space is just wrong.

Disappeared · 24/10/2023 14:43

I saw my first of this just in the summer a mid 20s couple in Liverpool Hilton, we weren’t sure what was going on ??!!

bombastix · 24/10/2023 14:44

That is ridiculous - get room service if you want to hang in your pyjamas. Isn't that what you do?

Gallapentin · 24/10/2023 14:45

Ginmonkeyagain · 24/10/2023 11:31

@Gallapentin Well it kind of does - it sits better and isn't see through. Clothes designed for night wear are not suitable for wearing outside as they are thinner and less robust. They also tailored differently - usually a much baggier and open fit with fewer seams and fastenings - for obvious reasons.

Crikey no wonder there are so many badly dressed people about if they can't tell the difference between night wear and outdoor wear.

There are plenty of comfortable and easy to wear clothes designed for day/outdoor wear.

Edited

Maybe if you always wear a suit, but one cotton T-shirt and trackies is very much like another- you won’t know which ones are worn to sleep in and which aren’t. unless they have some particular slogan or something on them.

FoodMishap · 24/10/2023 14:51

WinterDeWinter · 24/10/2023 11:24

Fanny wafts aside, there's quite a lot of both-sides-are-simultaneously-true stuff going on here, and most of it is to do with perception and association rather than fact and reality. I reckon (no particular order)

  • Most people get hotter and clammier during the night - that is a reality. For those who don't shower in the morning, this will dissipate as you air yourself (and your fannies Wink) and dress and put on deodorant - and of course fanny wafts aren't a thing. But others who have to see you in your nightwear will have an association with a hot unwashed bodies, stubble, morning breath and clammy bits, and this association will be off-putting especially when eating.
  • There's been a general loosening of uptightness over the last fifty years or so, and it's very good that some arbitrary formalities have been rejected. But this loosening has coincided with (and is somewhat allied to) a general increase in self-centredness and a kind of contempt for the idea of consideration for others over the fulfilment of individual desires. Many people are genuinely concerned about this social shift and see it at the heart of some quite worrying societal tides (populism, I'm-all-right-Jack, 'benefit scroungers' rightwingery, general thuggery). So signs that people don't care what others think, or whether their actions will have a wider impact - however trivial in themselves - can feel alarming (even if we don't ourselves make the connection in the moment).
  • Other people are just out and out snobs and look for Them and Us signifiers
  • Still others quite liked the pleasures of formality - the excitement of dressing up to go to dinner etc - and are sad that this is fading and life is becoming more 'one-note' and homogenous.
  • I understand why disabled people might find the negative comments here upsetting. At the same time, since no sane or decent person would urge disabled people to 'make more of an effort', I'd be worried about a society which cannot discuss this or any other issue because of exceptions to the rule. On the one hand it's irrational (the greatest good for the greatest number etc); and on the other no good generally comes to societies which repress whole areas of thought. This must be hard if you are one of the exceptions and feel besmirched by the general brush - but a mature society has often to make difficult decisions which rest on the lesser of two evils.
  • I think social media and the drive towards constant self-surveillance/publicisation/revelation has almost entirely broken down a centuries-old division between private and public in the space of just over twenty years - an astonishingly rapid social shift. I bet most of the people on the 'eww' side are my age (fifties) - those who are younger will perceive any criticism of, say, displaying bodies in public as a criticism of bodies per se as 'disgusting' and simply not understand that the meaning/value/'appropriateness' of a thing could change as you move from inside to outside the home.

It's all very interesting.

It really is super interesting. And although I’m someone with no spoons left today and hence still in my pyjamas & back in bed after distributing my silverware ( half term aghh) I definitely think it should all be discussed — agree that the fact there is a minority of people who have little choice does not by any means outweigh a wider discussion about societal standards for the majority who are not chronically ill/disabled etc.

It’s all fascinating and I enjoyed OP’s report today. I quite fancy some fluffy Halloween Hello Kitty pyjamas.

MrsDaniFilth · 24/10/2023 15:11

Springforward1 · 24/10/2023 14:36

Interesting & exactly what my initial post adhered to. I've stayed in similar hotels on many an occasion & yes there have been people at breakfast in their night atire. This is exactly what I meant. It's as if they are saying I'm so at home here compared to you fully dressed people & by wearing my dressing gown & slippers I'm also telling you I'm more welcome than you. Whatever way you look at it the whole concept of fit healthy people wearing pyjamas in a public space is just wrong.

In your view! Luckily your authority over me is zero and I can carry on wearing pjs wherever I like!

I think the waldorf probably does like me more than you- ner ner ner ner ner!

MaggieMayNotBe · 24/10/2023 15:35

I am kind of a slob myself in that I sometimes go to the corner shop a few yards down road dressed in nightmare if it's late and a few minutes before closing and I've forgotten something I need for a v early breakfast (I tend to be awful about not remembering to buy milk).

I would feel selfconscious and smelly about doing it in a hotel but I am a sweaty betty, and I always shower and wear fresh clothes on holiday before dinner. I'm a bit o obsessive about it, and I think that @FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper makes a good point about those who may have a good reason for being undressed at a holiday breakfast . Sick and disabled people have a right to holidays too!

MaggieMayNotBe · 24/10/2023 15:36

Nightwear not nightmare!! Though I probably look like a nightmare! No make up and unstyled hair.

Littlelucas · 24/10/2023 15:38

It’s a sign of poor social etiquette, probably a class signifier.

This. You are probably staying in a chavvy hotel OP. Spend a bit more next time!

heyitsthistle · 24/10/2023 15:54

Even the tramps on the streets used to wear suits.

Springforward1 · 24/10/2023 16:09

MrsDaniFilth · 24/10/2023 15:11

In your view! Luckily your authority over me is zero and I can carry on wearing pjs wherever I like!

I think the waldorf probably does like me more than you- ner ner ner ner ner!

Stayed in many similar although not the waldorf. By the sound of things if what your saying is correct then its too slobby for me anyway 😂

MrsDaniFilth · 24/10/2023 16:12

@Springforward1 nah - they let anyone in! 😉

bombastix · 24/10/2023 16:14

Reckon we should ask the Waldorf what is acceptable breakfast attire at this rate

Springforward1 · 24/10/2023 16:18

bombastix · 24/10/2023 16:14

Reckon we should ask the Waldorf what is acceptable breakfast attire at this rate

Apparently PJs, dressing gown &
Baffies (look it up) 😂

Springforward1 · 24/10/2023 16:19

MrsDaniFilth · 24/10/2023 16:12

@Springforward1 nah - they let anyone in! 😉

I'll think about it, as long as they accept me fully dressed 😂

bombastix · 24/10/2023 16:23

I did actually look up the dress code for the Waldorf and there is none, except "common courtesy". This seems to be interpreted variously by guests on TripAdvisor as "no scanty clothes or pool clothes".

Off to find my "baffies" now

GarlicGrace · 24/10/2023 16:23

MrsDaniFilth · 24/10/2023 08:45

Oh you gotta love the loungewear! And pjs.

In fact, I am wearing a fetching pair of £10 pjs from tescos, blue with stars on and a cardigan- and ive just popped to my little tesco down the road for coffee! and freddos ;)

But I also smoke - which is another social faux pas these days, so Im just slovenly!

As long as your cardi goes with your starry PJs, you're golden. Leisurewear, innit.

Slovens unite! ✊

Trinity65 · 24/10/2023 18:06

I do admit its grim

I live on a large Council Estate and there are those whom go to the shops in said attire.. and some used to take their kids to school in them
I done it ONCE and there was a reason
I had had surgery and only been home a few days and, as I smoked then, I popped to the local shop 5 minutes away . However I did stick boots on and did have a coat on as well.

Trinity65 · 24/10/2023 18:29

And alas, they were not Ugg boots though I would love a pair . Too expensive.

Regholdsworthswaterbed · 24/10/2023 18:38

Figgygal · 23/10/2023 21:36

There's a growing shameless underclass who think shit like that is OK when it's not its just grim as

Totally agree, some people have no pride in themselves whatsoever.

Moro93 · 24/10/2023 18:54

For all the snobs talking about the ‘underclass’ of people who do things like this or talking about council estates, based on the comments it seems like a lot more people wear pyjamas or dressing gowns in more upmarket, spa type hotels than anywhere else.
Your garden variety ‘lower class’ can’t afford places like this, so what does that tell you?

givemeasunnyday · 24/10/2023 18:58

MrsDaniFilth · 24/10/2023 11:23

Ah this is funny!

If I stay at the waldorf or equal - I can wear as i like. they tend to be fine with it!

anyone with proper money does not get upset about this stuff.

if i can afford the suite, i can wear what i like - within reason obvs!

Im in hysterics over the hotel things! It just shows maybe you arent as classy as you think you are!

Amusing - cheers

Thank you!! This is exactly the point I have been trying to make.

People with true class wouldn't turn a hair at this sort of thing. The MN pearl clutchers are showing themselves up as lacking in class, their superior attitude notwithstanding. It's a pity they are too dense to realise.

jlpth · 24/10/2023 19:05

To the pp wondering about why people wear walking shoes and the like to the theatre - it’s probably because they have taken public transport and walked to get there. Posh footwear isn’t suited to rain/wet/grim streets and actually walking. Ditto for the clothing. If I went to the theatre, I would be in that type of gear.

Swipe left for the next trending thread