What is this new form of slobdom?

[Theokaycokey]

Staying at a seaside resort in the UK. Large Hotel has a massive open atrium that is overlooked by hotel rooms and anyone walking along the promenade. The hotel restaurant is located smack bang in the middle of the atrium and is open to the reception area. I come down to breakfast this morning and a significant number of guests are sat in their pyjamas having their breakfast! Different families, all scattered around the restaurant or queuing at the breakfast buffet in their nightwear and fluffy slippers. This is the first time that I have come across this. Is it a relatively recent phenomenon?

'Fanny Waft' sounds like a heroine in the kind of prose pornography written to titillate the 'gentlemen' of the Regency.

Haven't read the whole thread, so I'm probably saying what's been said 100 times, but - just to add my 'vote':

I think it's rude, disrespectful and slobby to behave like this. It really does make me think (like an old Brigadier) - 'The country's going to the dogs!'

I've never been anywhere where people behave like this, and if they did, I'd run away. Are there really NO standards left for some people? I think the pps saying it doesn't matter, or that they never notice for mind this kind of thing are so, so wrong....where does it all end?? These guests are not at home - they're in a public space and so need to consider others. It's elementary courtesy, and one of the things about staying in a hotel. If you can't be bothered to have a little respect for your fellow guests then stay in your room and have breakfast there.

I don't want to see your nightwear, ever.

Recently stayed in a Premier Inn and noticed nothing of the sort in the dining area, even the kids managed to get dressed for breakfast.

Give the drama and faux outrage a rest🙄

This thread is poking fun at people walking around in their pajamas as afashion choice, not because they are physically unable to dress themselves.

Gallapentin has already given a great response to this, but as for me, there's no faux outrage at all.

It's annoying enough when people consider themselves to be the random arbiters of what is or isn't acceptable in scenarios like this, when it doesn't actually matter at all and when other people have just as much right as they do to choose how they dress. It reminds me of the bullies at school who will harass the kids who aren't wearing Nike trainers, but instead have a perfectly fine equivalent brand.

Maybe some of these snobs would be happier only going to exclusive hotels that poor people can't afford, where everybody is free to enjoy spending their time judging each other for using their cutlery in the wrong order, cutting their bread rolls instead of tearing them or passing the salt the wrong way around the table; whilst the ordinary 'common' folk can just get on with enjoying their leisure time in a positive way without needless ceremony.

I don't disagree with you that most of these people probably are not disabled; however, they clearly have a preferred way of dressing for themselves that differs from your preferred way of dressing yourself. They've paid to enjoy their stay in a hotel, just like you have, and aren't giving strangers like you a second thought.

That said, the fact you are sneering at these people - whether they are disabled or not - and comparing them to people who are disabled, people who live in care homes and such - really does betray your prejudices. You treat these people and their lives as nothing more than a cheap joke about how 'pathetic' you clearly see them - and then criticise those of us standing up for them?

By all means start your own establishment with strict rules or membership lists, but please do remember that disabled and other vulnerable people's lives matter too; they really aren't deliberately living in often very challenging and distressing circumstances purely to annoy you.

I don’t get why pjs in public are automatically “scuzzy” or “disrespectful” or indicative of an “underclass”.

I do get that someone can be indecently or offensively dressed and we actually do have laws against that - that is part of civilisation. And I get that people can be smelly and unwashed, and that that can be offputting for others.

But it’s not because it’s pyjamas. Your pjs could be clean, opaque, cover you fully and I can’t see why that’s not OK to wear. Yes of course there are expectations in places like church, the queen’s garden party, a fancy restaurant or workplaces of various kinds but that’s a contract you enter into and agree to. Wearing pjs to hotel breakfast or Tesco - it’s just a personal choice that could be for lots of reasons. And you can be scuzzy and smelly completely independently of that.

As I pointed out upthread PJs have been an actual daywear fashion at various times in history. The ultimate PJ and dressing gown wearer is Noel Coward, not rab c nesbitt.

I've never gone in my PJs, but I don't shower before breakfast and just go in my gym clothes. This is because I go to the gym after breakfast. I'm not showering twice.

Even if I wasn't going to the gym, I still don't think I would shower before breakfast: I like to get fully ready with hair/makeup/sunscreen then drying my hair. All this takes too long: get down early, grab a quick breakfast, then get ready for the day.

But yes, I put something on other than PJs because I know people are judgemental. Although I'm definitely not cleaner than someone in PJs.

FYI there are many countries and cultures where people don't shower everyday. So the majority of people who don't shower before breakfast and/or wear clothes 2 days in a row aren't exactly dirty.

Haven't read the whole thread, so I'm probably saying what's been said 100 times, but - just to add my 'vote':

I think it's rude, disrespectful and slobby to behave like this.

To be honest, I personally find it very rude and disrespectful to wade into a conversation, making it abundantly clear that you have no time or interest for what the other people in the conversation have to say.

We're all different, eh?

Daily report: we have a nice selection of bright orange Halloween themed hello kitty fluffy pyjamas to my right. Also, an alarming amount of all in one very thin thong revealing ribbed flesh coloured/beige unflattering body suits with UGG boots. And a smattering of people wearing wooly hats. Lady in clingy green body suit just entered wearing bright pink fluffy slippers with faces on the front. Also a couple of crop tops today.

I feel as though we might need a 'bring back the bowler hat and bonnet campaign'.

Ffs woman, you are on holiday- can you really not find something more interesting to fill your mind with than what other people are wearing?!

There are dress codes for funerals, weddings, interviews, - no-one wears beach wear or pjs for those events, we all know that. It's respectful to others to at least acknowledge that eating in public is not done in nightwear.

These are all formal occasions where you have accepted a social 'contract' in interacting with others.

Completely different from spending your leisure time on your own or with your family, in a place where other entirely unconnected people happen to be doing the same.

See this is all just bad taste though isnt it - its not the nightwear that is the issue.

flesh coloured jumpsuits are bad! I wouldnt touch these with a barge. but i think its unfair to lump these in with pyjamas.

My aforementioned tesco ones are basically wide leg trousers and a tshirt. Unoffensive IMHO.

As I said upthread the issue with wearing a lot of night wear as "day wear" is it is simply not designed to be worn outside of bed - the fabrics are flimsier and cut in a much more relaxed way.

The limited trend of relaxed "house clothes" and robes in the twenties and thirties is very different - they were well cut lounge wear in heavier good quality materials such as lined silk, flannel or brocade.

Ffs woman, you are on holiday- can you really not find something more interesting to fill your mind with than what other people are wearing?!

No, not really. I'm having my breakfast and the food isn't particularly exciting; the clientele far more so. I'm role playing David Attenborough. Besides which I'm not exactly on holiday as such.

Although one could ask whether you don't have anything better to do than comment on 'woman's' comments on current societal behavioural changes.

The pyjama slobs are probably the same people who talk loudly at the theatre or play music out loud on their phones. They don't realise that what is appropriate in their own living room may not be acceptable in a public space.

It takes less than a minute to put a bra , t shirt and joggers on - no excuse for just rolling out of bed and not changing. Harry Enfield Slobs.

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To be honest, I personally find it very rude and disrespectful to wade into a conversation, making it abundantly clear that you have no time or interest for what the other people in the conversation have to say.

We're all different, eh?

Hey - keep your pj pants on, Father Jack!! No need to be p-a.

I disagree. I sometimes deliberately give my response to an OP in order NOT to be swayed by what other pps have already said. Sorry if you don't like that, but I think it's sometimes the best thing to do. Yes - we are all different!

As for you comment upthread about people in pjs 'not giving you a thought' - well, exactly! That's my issue with these self-centred, inconsiderate people. If in a public space you definitely do need to give other people a thought.

So there.

Yep- it isn’t that ALL these people are disabled and forced into dressing that way, it’s that

1. some of them are and you are characterising them as dirty, slobby, lazy and disgusting which is a bit shit really.

2. people are claiming that they could never or would never live the reality of disability- believe me if it happened to you, you would. You wouldn’t have a choice.

3. people are denying the reality of disabled people’s lives by asserting that you can’t be on holiday in a hotel and unable to get fully showered and dressed first thing in the morning every day.

4. at least one poster has said that if you can’t get up and showered and fully dressed before the breakfast time (ie, you are ill or disabled) then you have no right to leave your room.

Yes for some people it’s a fashion choice, one they are entitled to make unless the hotel bans it. No, you don’t have to think it looks nice or that you would choose to do it.

but no- you are not entitled to run down a whole section of society who because of illness and disability beyond their control are forced to have different standards to you.

No - I dont do either of these things! But i wear pjs to the shop!

Again - i wear a bra! Non wired ones. Comfy.

But i work for myself. So my usual response to people telling me they have ishooes with anything i am doing - is to head to a church! He might listen! ;)

@Theokaycokey sadly it is becoming a 'thing'
I recently stayed in a lovely spa hotel. There were people in the restaurant at breakfast and lunchtime in their cozzies and one size (definitely doesn't) fit all gowns.
Nope

I stayed in a hotel a few weeks ago and two lads came down to breakfast without shoes or socks on

Nope, I don’t. I’m stuck in bed again- I haven’t been able to get up and showered for several days now- oh the shock and horror!

Believe me if I was lucky enough to be up, out, having breakfast and off to actually do something today I would not be wasting my time worrying about other people’s clothing.

I stay in hotels a lot, and I honestly don't think I've ever seen anyone have breakfast in their pyjamas. Slippers, yes, but never pyjamas. I'm guessing it's one of those things where one family does it and then other families follow their lead because they assume that means it's OK.

Can't say I'm really bothered what anyone else wears to eat their breakfast, though. It affects me in no way whatsoever and other people aren't there to look nice for me. I wouldn't go down to a hotel breakfast in my PJs myself, not in a million years. But I really couldn't give a toss if someone else does. And I don't see why someone having breakfast in pyjamas they've worn over night is somehow less hygienic than someone eating dinner in clothes they've worn all day.

I usually shower in the evening.

why does it matter whether the hotel guests shower in the morning / before breakfast or some other time of the day?

I don’t think I’d manage to get upset about the pyjamas either, tbh. People have different views, values etc.

*As I said upthread the issue with wearing a lot of night wear as "day wear" is it is simply not designed to be worn outside of bed - the fabrics are flimsier and cut in a much more relaxed way.

The limited trend of relaxed "house clothes" and robes in the twenties and thirties is very different - they were well cut lounge wear in heavier good quality materials such as lined silk, flannel or brocade.*

I just don't think this is true. There have been both robust and flimsy pjs in the past and now. I’ve seen quite a few people out in their pjs but it’s always been proper checked flannel or fleecy style trousers and a matching top or sweatshirt style thing. Not see-through negligees. They’d be cold for a start and I don’t think most people who do this are doing it to show off their body.

Floaty silken PJ suits as fashion/party wear were a thing in the 20s and 30s and PJs as beach and holiday wear was a big trend. It’s a trend that reappears every so often - was big a few years ago in fashion magazines.

My point is it’s not the PJs themselves. PJs are just clothes and around the world at various points in history people wear/have worn things that are indistinguishable from pyjamas. The word itself comes from Asian language words for loose daywear trousers worn in India/Persia etc.

I just find it really odd how some people find pyjamas in themselves so disgusting and lacking in “standards”.