What is this new form of slobdom?

[Theokaycokey]

Staying at a seaside resort in the UK. Large Hotel has a massive open atrium that is overlooked by hotel rooms and anyone walking along the promenade. The hotel restaurant is located smack bang in the middle of the atrium and is open to the reception area. I come down to breakfast this morning and a significant number of guests are sat in their pyjamas having their breakfast! Different families, all scattered around the restaurant or queuing at the breakfast buffet in their nightwear and fluffy slippers. This is the first time that I have come across this. Is it a relatively recent phenomenon?

I wouldn’t do that no, I mean how long does it take to put some clothes on?

The hotel we stayed at in Barcelona had a sign up requesting people to be properly dressed before entering the restaurant. It wasn't a particularly posh hotel either, just a step up from a travelodge type place. They weren't expecting evening wear or anything but no PJs or swim wear.

Whilst I try really hard not to judge people based on what they're wearing, this is something that does get to me a bit.

It's the whole thing about treating the world like your living room - I find it a bit disrespectful to other people. It's just kind of entitled and unpleasant behaviour.

The main issue with nightwear in public is the tailoring and materials used are not meant for outdoor wear, meaning that they can often be opaque or fail to contain body parts properly. Why anyone would want to wear such garments so unsuited for the job out of the house is beyond me.

If comfort or ease of putting on are a priority there are garments that are generously cut and easy to pull on in fabrics and construction that are actually meant for outdoor wear.

I have young kids and I've never not gotten them dressed before going down to breakfast. It doesn't matter if they dirty them and I have to go back to the room to change them. I used to pack extra clothes when they were little because my son was prone to dirtying his. They got better at this eventually and in the between period they used bibs when toddlers or I showed them how to use a napkin to save their clothes. I find it slovenly to go down to hotel breakfast in pyjamas, if you are putting on clean ones then why not put on actual clothes instead? I do find it disrespectful to staff and other guests.

However, after reading this thread some people are not bothered about how they present themselves and that is their perogative. It's just not something I would do but to each his own.

They used to do a charity pj day at work every year. I never did it (becauae I was so fat and didn't want people to see me without any structure in my clothes) but most of the office would come in, some by bus, in pj's.

I don't really care if people see me in pj's now but still wouldn't go out in them, including breakfast at a hotel.

I judge people by how they treat - or speak of - others, not on what they wear

But I think this does show how they treat other people. As someone else said upthread, as humans, how we dress is a code, it sends a message. People are smart at weddings and funerals to show respect. Smart at work or job interviews to show professionalism. Making an effort in how you look shows consideration and respect to other people. These people aren’t even doing the bare minimum which implies they don’t give a flying fuck about others, which invites a negative judgement.

Oh you gotta love the loungewear! And pjs.

In fact, I am wearing a fetching pair of £10 pjs from tescos, blue with stars on and a cardigan- and ive just popped to my little tesco down the road for coffee! and freddos ;)

But I also smoke - which is another social faux pas these days, so Im just slovenly!

I haven't read all 12 pages (too early in the morning)

Has the hotel in question been named? Even though I'm not a fan of UK holidays, if I did stay in the UK, I'd like to avoid staying anywhere that allows this slobbishness.

Bugs me when I'm ou walking the dog and people are walking to the corner shop in their PJs. Lazy bastards.

I wouldn't do this. But I think it's a bit ott to imply you can smell people or it signifies the end of society as some pp's are.

I’ve never done it, but I’d do it deliberately if someone was going on about it being a class signifier and bad etiquette.

The point is you have no idea what is going on with people you see for 10 minutes one day, so making assumptions about them just makes you a prat.

And also, what is the sudden prevalence of long covid (often leading to even more chronic illness like M.E or fibromyalgia) if not an uptick in illness in the population?

Glad to know us disabled people are irrelevant though…

I wonder if it's a bit of a sign of the times too? I seem to remember more loungewear coming in around the the time energy costs went up. I for one bought two enormous "blanket hoodies". As it was almost the same temperature outside and in, the blanket hoodies slowly transitioned to out-wear. And it wasn't worth getting a nice outfit, just to cover with a blanket hoodie... So I ended up with t-shirts for either bed or outside (but clean for outside), and jeans and trainers under them most days. I guess some households also worry about the cost of a bath or shower every day.

Similarly, cost of living means a lot of people can't afford nice, new, stylish things. So maybe the mentality is that if all your clothes are old and worn and look like crap anyway... loungewear (or pjs). I wonder how cost of living crisis has affected weight gain too? Presumably some people are eating cheaper foods like toast and pasta more of the time? Rather than chicken breast (the expense!!) and avacado...

Lastly, my mum noted recent how everyone she sees atm looks "absolutely knackered". People working extra jobs to make ends meet / employers not hiring enough staff so those there are overstretched all the time / people with additional care work, as no longer provided by the state / retirement age going up. Maybe people can't be arsed getting dressed anymore as they're just so busy and tired?

I'm not saying this of the people at breakfast, it just becomes normalised. Also, people COULD of course spend 15 minutes a day washing and getting dressed. But I can see why a lot of people might just think "bollocks to this" and get away with as little as possible. The natural progression would go loungewear then pyjamas!

Clothes have never been cheaper.
I suspect very few people in the UK are so poor that all they can wear is pyjamas, and if that's the case, they're unlikely to be in a hotel eating breakfast.
It's a demarcation between night wear and day wear. You can wear comfortable day clothes eg sweatshirt and leggings, and you'd at least look dressed.

Oh ok, sorry. Here was me thinking that my sartorial approach was a reflection of my disability and something that is a daily ordeal for me, when all the time it was just fodder for wankers to call given-up-on-life dressing, or care home chic and have a good laugh.

I really couldn't care less what other people are wearing for breakfast, as long as nothing is dangling in the yoghurt.

TBH, if they came down to dinner in PJs at a hotel I'd struggle to summon anything more than briefly wondering if they'd not got dressed that day at all, or if they'd just got ready for bed early.

If clothing is appropriate for the weather, I see no substantive difference between mickey mouse in a nightcap shorts and t-shirt, and mickey mouse giving the thumbs up on a shorts and t-shirt.

I agree, but I think attitudes have changed because of the aforementioned.

And I know clothes are much cheaper, but people are much, MUCH poorer for the most part.

And like it or not, you don’t get to decide what these ‘standards’ are.

You ‘don’t believe’ in the reality of disabled people’s lives? Lucky you.

What nonsense! People are well dressed for an interview because they know it is expected of them, end of. People get dressed up for weddings because it is a good excuse to show off one's finery, and where I live people aren't nearly as formal at funerals as they are in the UK. I have never looked at anyone who is well dressed and thought they look that way to show consideration or respect to me or to anyone else. I don't give a flying fuck what anyone wears - as long as they are wearing something! I've met badly dressed people who would do anything for anyone, and well dressed people who are the most selfish beings on earth.

Someone turned up to my 90 year old grandfather's funeral in hot pants. They were black, so at least some sort of etiquette was observed.

Yes, if I knew there was going to be a gathering of the MNers on this thread I would make sure I wore my nightwear, and would probably dig out my oldest. 😅

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