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To be considering private school at reception?

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Aramist · 21/10/2023 08:35

We live in a small village which happens to have a really good private school 5 minute walk away. We've looked round, talked with the teachers, done our research. Loved it.

We've also looked around the nearest state school, which is a 5 minute drive away. Also a nice school, headteacher brilliant. Lots of recommendations.

The thing is, even though we can comfortably afford it, the class sizes at the private school are tiny. We're talking maybe 6 or 7 kids per year group. I think there are something like 20 (if that) kids in the whole of key stage 1. I can see that being a lovely thing, family feel and the attention my DD will get would be great, but I worry about her socially as I can see her being a quiet and sensitive child at school.

With the state school, each year group has about 30. Big classes. I work in state and have a class of 30 and it's hard work, can be chaotic and I just can't give every child the attention they deserve. I'd also worry with her potentially being quite quiet she'd get a bit 'lost' in a big class like that, but at least she'd have local friends (not necessarily in same village though).

The other issue is if we moved house. Our house isn't necessarily our forever home but we're happy for now.

I'm torn. Any words of advice?

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KeratinCan · 21/10/2023 10:07

My kids went to private for primary but it was a big entry with four classes of 20. They mixed classes every two years.

My friend’s girl went to a private school with one class of 20, but there was no opportunity to mix with any other classes so they were in the same group of girls from the age of 4 to 11. it became very cliquey and claustrophobic and there was no opportunity to change the social mix at all. I would not recommend it.

Unless your girl is queen bee from the start to the end, things can get difficult socially.

Primrose28 · 21/10/2023 10:08

I’d also recommend the private. We had a similar decision to you although the class sizes were a little bigger - 12 in Reception, 20 in Y1 and 2 classes of 20 from y3-6.

Our children have absolutely thrived. Academically it’s been fantastic, but also socially as they has so many opportunities. Any issues are spotted immediately and addressed - it’s such a nic caring bunch of kids. They have friends across years and outside of school.

Couldn't be happier!

LolaSmiles · 21/10/2023 10:11

It's much easier to go from state to private than the other way round. Imagine getting used to the difference in class sizes!
That's a good point. I hadn't considered that.b

Gifflon · 21/10/2023 10:12

@Aramist

I’m put off by your ‘teacher sits with disruptive or those with SEN’ comment.

My son has SEN in a state school. He has funded extra help, and the teacher does not have to spend all her time with him.

SEN and disruptive children are present in private schools too.

A very small class is very tricky to teach, particularly with friendships.

Aramist · 21/10/2023 10:17

Primrose28 · 21/10/2023 10:08

I’d also recommend the private. We had a similar decision to you although the class sizes were a little bigger - 12 in Reception, 20 in Y1 and 2 classes of 20 from y3-6.

Our children have absolutely thrived. Academically it’s been fantastic, but also socially as they has so many opportunities. Any issues are spotted immediately and addressed - it’s such a nic caring bunch of kids. They have friends across years and outside of school.

Couldn't be happier!

This is the scenario I fantasise about to be honest.
It's exactly what I want.
I just don't know if that will actually happen!

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Aramist · 21/10/2023 10:19

Gifflon · 21/10/2023 10:12

@Aramist

I’m put off by your ‘teacher sits with disruptive or those with SEN’ comment.

My son has SEN in a state school. He has funded extra help, and the teacher does not have to spend all her time with him.

SEN and disruptive children are present in private schools too.

A very small class is very tricky to teach, particularly with friendships.

Alot of children with SEN don't have additional funding though. In fact it's getting worse year on year. It's a terribly long and stressful process to get children funded help and some parents aren't willing to go through it.
I speak from experience.

I would much rather teach a small class than a big class.
Friendships are a problem in big classes trust me...it's just a different set of kids every two minutes rather than the same!

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jeaux90 · 21/10/2023 10:30

The reason I put DD in private school is because of SEN. She is bright but has ADHD and ASD so large classes, noise and a large school was exhausting her at primary and she was a very quiet ADHD kid (as a lot of them are) so she started to fall through the cracks.

What I've noticed in her small private all girls school is there are alot of ND pupils who are thriving in the nurturing/pastoral environment.

KeratinCan · 21/10/2023 10:34

Aramist · 21/10/2023 10:19

Alot of children with SEN don't have additional funding though. In fact it's getting worse year on year. It's a terribly long and stressful process to get children funded help and some parents aren't willing to go through it.
I speak from experience.

I would much rather teach a small class than a big class.
Friendships are a problem in big classes trust me...it's just a different set of kids every two minutes rather than the same!

(Can I point something out? It is ‘a lot’ not ‘alot’. I don’t usually point this stuff out as I know it’s a wanky thing to do. But I do sometimes highlight it when teachers post, and I have noticed it twice now. 😳)

Enko · 21/10/2023 10:39

It's 15 years ago but my son went to a private 7 boys reception class. It was amazing for him. He thrived and learned a huge amount in that year. The school was exceptional without a doubt. He has good memories fron the school.

Due to a move and change of circumstances he went to a 15 intake from year 1. They mixed years from 1 and 2 so he had around 30 in the class He also loved this.

The small sizing wouldn't put me off but I would be looking at results at longevity and where both schools feeds into going to secondary schools. Is it financially viable for you to continue privately what happens if one of you suddenly loose your jobs? Make all that a part of your decision.

Badaba · 21/10/2023 10:41

DS2 is in nursery, next year he'll be in reception
Considering his character, I cannot think of anything worse than a small class size. The best bit is when we see his school friends outside of school (which is often at church, since his school is the only Catholic school in the area).

Your child might not know any better if you start them in private, so I'm sure they would be fine if you started there. However, the most sensible approach when you have a good school as an option, is to start at state and then move to private if you feel the state school is inadequately meeting your DC's needs.

All2Well · 21/10/2023 10:43

I attended a private single sex school with only 9 girls in the year - the experience continues to leave a lasting impact on me today. I was very badly bullied and constantly left out of any playtime activities. With such a small class, there was nowhere to hide and it was soul destroying to have to wander the school grounds alone for an hour every lunch trying to dodge bullies or eat my sandwiches in the toilets. The girl who instigated the bullying would have been expelled or at least disciplined in a state school but the private school was too afraid of losing the fee money so they kept bullies in the school at all costs. At the point that I was left unable to walk for six weeks after an incident on a school trip (where I was also left injured with no adult supervision on a beach for over an hour until a sixth former found me) and the school refused to say how they would keep me safe in future, my father finally admitted defeat and pulled me out in Year 7. He had kept me in that school all those years because he didn't want me to attend a mixed sex school due to his religious beliefs. The school tried blackmailing my family into making me stay in numerous ways...again because they were too afraid of losing the fees. Small class sizes were a bad sign in other ways too...within 5 years the school closed down as it wasn't financially viable (even with larger senior school classes) and all these poorly socially equipped girls were forced to attend big local state schools and colleges where they struggled to cope.

Meanwhile, I went on to be popular and very happy at two different mixed schools, one state school with a single form entry of 36 kids, one private with 100 children per year and 18 per class. There was space for me to meet people and find my tribe. There was always someone to socialise with unlike the small school. However, pastorally the state school far excelled the private school. Private schools struggle to acknowledge bullying...infact the second private school even described "a bit of bullying as character building" and financially their hands are tied. They'll keep fee payers in at all costs. They don't mind losing bursary or scholarship victims of bullying.

As a teacher, I initially started teaching in private day and public boarding schools and saw it all from the other side. Even when teachers knew certain pupils needed to be expelled and wanted that to happen, we had no support from management due to the business model.
In one school we had insanely wealthy international students who were shooting up heroin in the dorms, carrying out money lending schemes and financially extorting other students, lots of disturbing sexual behaviour and absolutely nothing was done at all, mainly because the school was financially on it's knees and the parents of the kids in question could easily donate 3 million and build a new Sports Hall rather than have their kid expelled. I left that school after a term as I knew I couldn't keep my students safe in that environment.

From there the next job I could get at short notice was in the largest, "roughest" state high school in the area. I was shocked at how much better the state school was pastorally. Kids who should be expelled were, there was no financial gain involved. There were lots of additional staff that we simply didn't have in independent schools - behaviour and learning mentors, family support workers, a big SEN department, lunchtime supervisors (as opposed to just the refectory/dining hall staff and no one overseeing playtime), chaplaincy, nurture groups and actual proper TAs and LSAs which simply didn't exist in any private school I attended or worked in.

The happiest school I attended as a child was the state school with the massive class. I'm hoping to get a job there in the next couple of years as it's only went from strength to strength and is thriving. Meanwhile the private schools I attended have closed or merged.

I don't have kids yet but I feel torn about whether I'd send them to state or one particular private school that my old good private school merged with.

I know if I sent them to the private school I'd have to put far more effort into helping them succeed socially than is normal. Forcing them to play a sport for example as the sporty kids are always the popular kids, joining the Ladies Lunch Monthly Meet and attending the Wine and Cheese and Fashion Evenings to avoid being outside of the Mum clique, putting them in from nursery age as again, it's the kids that have been there the longest that don't tend to get bullied and private schools in my experience are really crap at welcoming and supporting newcomers. I can confidently say I wouldn't have to do any of that at the good local state schools.

So that's my long winded way of saying I would never send my child to a tiny private school nor would I ever rely on a private school to actually deal with bullying. Academically, the small private school was also the worst I attended because they couldn't afford to pay decent staff so we ended up with a very old fashioned approach from teachers who were usually approaching or past retirement age, there was a lack of interactive and peer learning experiences and we had long periods of absolute boredom. The school also attracted teaching staff who had moved there because they actually couldn't manage a large class and had poor behaviour management skills which then had the knock on effect of allowing bullying to thrive. If you've got a good state school near you, then seriously, seriously consider it. It would be a no brained for me.

TheaBrandt · 21/10/2023 10:45

Ideally I would want 10 other girls minimum

Foxesandsquirrels · 21/10/2023 10:48

I don't think I would, mainly because those numbers tend to attract SEN kids. That's not a problem in a normal sized class where there's a mix, but when there's only 6 of them, that's very limiting in terms of socialising, and actually for you as parents too. I would go for state and reassess.

Escapetofrance · 21/10/2023 10:55

The attention you get from a small class might be good for your dc. They have to answer questions on the carpet as there is nowhere to hide, they get good parts in school plays, friendships are often stronger because there are fewer to choose from. It would be like a family atmosphere, rather than one of 30. If you love the independent school and can afford it, I wouldn’t hesitate.

whatdoidoaboutit · 21/10/2023 11:00

I think you are letting your experience of school colour your opinion here.

Bullying may be easier to spot in a small class, but that doesn't mean she's more likely to make friends.

In a class of 30 there are more children, so it's more likely she'll find someone she gets on with.

With just 5 other DC, she may get lucky and get a good friend, or she may not.

If they don't get on, there's no alternative.

Reception is part of the early years Foundation stage. It's as much about getting to grips with being at school and forming healthy social bonds as it is about a foundation for academic learning. There is strong emphasis on learning through play, which is something many state schools do brilliantly in my experience, and which may lead to a class appearing chaotic yo an outsider.

Give your DD a chance. She may thrive.

Also, don't underestimate the importance of having friends nearby. I travelled a long way to primary (and secondary later) and I felt I missed out by not having friends locally. I'm so pleased my DC do.

Aramist · 21/10/2023 11:02

@whatdoidoaboutit it's likely she won't have any friends in the same village in either school, being honest.
The private school kids travel from various places. The state school most kids will be from that village, not ours.

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All2Well · 21/10/2023 11:09

And that's a very good point too...yes, our local smallest private school has now become known for being an ideal environment for those children with Autism (usually what was formally known as Aspergers or HFA and PDA profiles) and combined or inattentive ADHD and lots of children who have struggled to cope with a busy state environment or who have been bullied for being Neurodiverse have moved over to this school. I know a lot of the kids there as I also do some Inclusive tutoring work and think this particular school is a fantastic choice for them. They don't however advertise that they are a mainly SEN school these days and so it could be a different learning and social environment than what many neurotypical families expect or want from a private school (which is usually social opportunities).

I'm neurodiverse (combined ADHD and PDA)...the small private school totally missed it, the big private school just thought I was a quirky, creative chatty kid and actively encouraged me to rebel a bit and the state school were concerned I was showing signs of being very anxious and struggling with rote learning and maths, booked me in to see an Educational Psychologist within 6 weeks of me starting there and put in a support plan with home and gave me the lead role in the school play so I could indulge my creative side 😂.

bakewellbride · 21/10/2023 11:11

I would investigate the ethos of the private school. I've done supply in several and a lot of them saw early years educational/ play as a 'waste of time' so the 4 year olds had to stand chanting continents and glued to desks handwriting all day. Not something I'd want for my kids in a million years.

SparkyBlue · 21/10/2023 11:19

The small class is too small in my opinion but at the same time 30 is definitely too big as well. My DS is in an autism class so only 5 children in it but they are attached to a mainstream school so he goes into the mainstream class for music ,PE, art and all the fun stuff to socialise and mix. So the small group is great academically as DS needs all the extra attention and help but socially I think it's too small. I'd look at the state school if I were you and keep your money for when your child is older.

Littlefish · 21/10/2023 11:23

MidnightOnceMore · 21/10/2023 08:43

I would never send my kids to a tiny school. Any bullying problems are amplified and it is socially limiting. Private schools are more socially limited in general.

I specifically chose a bigger primary to give a big range of possible friends. It worked very well.

A totally agree with this.

Also, I've taught classes of 12, right up to classes of 32.

Teaching a class of 12 is incredibly intense, overwhelmingly so at times.

My absolute ideal is about 22 children in a class. It's big enough to give the children a wide range of social opportunities and working groups, but small enough to know everyone and have a positive relationship with adults in the class.

Vitriolinsanity · 21/10/2023 11:38

Looking back OP, I would say no.

The earliest I'd send my child to PS now (where they've been since R, now sixth form) is Yr 7.

R is always chaotic. It levels out at Y2/3. If she's not meeting expectations at end of Y2 have a re think.

PS is a long term investment. You really need a year in the bank to get through every key stage. Circumstances can change a lot over a child's school career.

HateMyRubbishBoss · 21/10/2023 11:46

We ve always been in private schools but we ve had the worse time when the classes were small (12 kids max) and the overall school tiny

the impact wasn’t only on the kid due to specific friendships been formed which didn’t include my kid but also on me due to the cliquiness of the parents ; bullying from certain parents to another were absolutely shocking (example publicly calling them “racist with a weirdo of a kid”)

we ended up leaving for another prep where parents were civil, minding their own business (18 kids in class)

SprogTakesAQuarry · 21/10/2023 11:49

@All2Well As someone who has taught in both state and private primary, with dc who have attended both, and a dh who has taught secondary at both, your post resonates with me 100%. In state, every conversation was about the children: their wellbeing and their learning. In private, every conversation was about parents. I felt like the private sector didn’t have the economic freedom to be led by values.

Yourebeingtooloud · 21/10/2023 11:51

That’s such a small cohort I would really worry about it. My dc went to a small 1 form entry state primary. In lots of ways it has been really brilliant for them but even with 30 children to choose from as friends; it’s not actually that many after 7 years. Dc1 never really found ‘their people’…they had lots of friends but more by convenience than anything. It has been wonderful to watch them move to a much bigger secondary and suddenly find lots of people they really click with.

Ideal class size for me would be 15-20, with 2 classes at least in the year Group. 6 per year is too small (& doesn’t sound financially viable either).

Personally I’d start in state - most dc manage fine with the early academics - and move later if needed.

Fraiches · 21/10/2023 11:52

State or private i wouldn't want my child with such a tiny cohort. Exception would be of course if the only options were good tiny class vs awful bigger class.

Start with the state and know you've got a backup should you need it.