AIBU to believe FIL time slip experience?

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FIL was round yesterday evening for dinner with his wife. We were talking about the Uncanny podcast & recent TV episode then he told us of two experiences he'd had in the same place a number of years apart. After I went & did some research & asked a couple questions today, he's told us of another experience he had in the same place that was similar to one of the other experiences but that happened when he as a child.

I'm quite sceptical about paranormal type events I guess because I've never witnessed anything myself but am generally quite open minded. I don't believe FIL to be the type to make this sort of thing up & he was almost unwilling to tell us in case we thought he was crazy. He's never told anyone before.

AIBU to think what he experienced could've been real? In one of the instances he interacted with people in the past, his recall was quite genuine & he had some significant detail that you couldn't just make up. Has anyone else experienced a time slip or some other paranormal event they couldn't explain? I'm intrigued!

I think time slips will be proven in years to come. Just because we don’t currently understand certain phenomena, doesn’t mean they’re not real.

Strange things do happen!

I had an experience recently of ‘gaining’ an hour. My watch is quite difficult to read at times, but on this occasion, I checked the time with my phone and the time tallied. I wanted to watch a particular programme on the TV. I never noticed anything unusual, as I’d just carried on as usual. It was only when I switched the TV on that I realised I was an hour too early.

Because these people vote! People so lacking in critical skills that they believe any ridiculous gubbins like time slips, and ghosts, and talking to the dead, and reiki and crystals....these are the morons that vote for shit like Brexit.
And we all know how well that went. Other peoples stupidity affects us all.

Sources for any of this?

My annoyance is with the woolly thinking and credulousness. I would absolutely adore to have someone demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt the existence of a supernatural realm, or timeslips, or people continuing to exist after death — who wouldn’t? It would be incredibly interesting, like communicating with aliens or developing a whole new type of tech or medicine, or discovering you can see in infra-red.

But no one has produced any proof to date, and not for want of trying and offering inducements, and people’s underthinking on the subject is surprising and depressing. I absolutely understand the desperate grief of someone newly bereaved and longing for a ‘psychic’ to give them a message, but it’s harder to have patience with someone absolutely refusing obvious rational explanations because they are wedded to a supernatural account of their ‘event’.

Someone up the thread described going to the loo in a strange house on a visit, and, on attempting to get back into the living room from an unlit hallway, discovering the door handle on her side had disappeared. I can imagine it was an unnerving experience, but what is more likely — a vanishing supernatural doorknob, or that a visitor got spooked and disoriented in the dark in a strange place, and just couldn’t find it by groping?

Because these people vote! People so lacking in critical skills that they believe any ridiculous gubbins like time slips, and ghosts, and talking to the dead, and reiki and crystals....these are the morons that vote for shit like Brexit.
And we all know how well that went. Other peoples stupidity affects us all”

How very dare you? I believe that my dad saw a ghost. I am a very firm remainer. Bloody cheek.

You can believe your father saw a ghost. I can believe you and he both severely lack critical thinking skills and a basic understanding of physics.

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Because these people vote! People so lacking in critical skills that they believe any ridiculous gubbins like time slips, and ghosts, and talking to the dead, and reiki and crystals....these are the morons that vote for shit like Brexit.
And we all know how well that went. Other peoples stupidity affects us all.

How very dare you? I believe that my dad saw a ghost. I am a very firm remainer. Bloody cheek 🤣

Time slips could be real but like intelligent alien life until we have evidence it's just something that could exist because we can't prove it doesn't.

I had an incident once when I was younger where I passed someone who looked like an older me giving me a quizzical look. Years later walking in the opposite direction I passed someone looking like a young me, and gave a quizzical look because they were wearing what I was wearing at the time of the original incident. (I was going through a phase of wearing a particular style just about every day.)

Timeslip maybe, equally it could just be that there's a family out there with relatives with similar features to me. All I can prove is that in each case two people walked past each other in the street. And one looked at the other funny. But then, maybe people do that if they spot someone who looks similar to them.

And this.

Actually, especially when people misquote Hamlet and go on to make large pronouncements about how ‘science can’t explain everything ‘ and ‘science will one day prove timeslips, Auntie Doris’s messages via the psychic hotline etc’, when it’s fairly clear the closest acquaintance they’ve ever had with ‘science’ is a clogged Bunsen burner for GCSE or watching The Theory of Everything.

That's life I'm afraid.

Don't have an aneurysm. I feel you'd make quite a peevish ghost.

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You can believe your father saw a ghost. I can believe you and he both severely lack critical thinking skills and a basic understanding of physics.

You clearly severely lack manners. You’re correct, I have no knowledge of physics My husband has a physics degree from Imperial. He doesn’t discount the possibility 🤷‍♀️

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That's life I'm afraid.
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Don't have an aneurysm. I feel you'd make quite a peevish ghost.”

Indeed. Such anger on what I thought was a pretty lighthearted thread. Must be hard work going through life so cross about trivial things. Maybe that’s exactly what ghosts are, people who didn’t have time to get rid of all of their anger in life and come back to throw a bit more around. Like the nut on the train in Ghost.

Deja Vu is a brain processing experience. 'Time slips' could be similar.

Or, in the same way that we inherit physical characteristics in our DNA, maybe we also inherit some memories and this is what people are experiencing when they think they've seen people from the past. The brain still isn't fully understood.

I did read a great short story once (it was made into a film that's on Amazon ) about people travelling back in time all the time and changing our current reality. And because reality changed for everyone, no one remembered the previous reality - so spouses and children can ils just disappear and be replaced by different ones and you'd never remember it had happened.

The fact that you can discount some experiences as mistakes or coincidences doesn’t mean ALL experiences can be so easily brushed aside. The fact Derren Brown can fake a “seance” doesn’t mean all mediums are fake ( they might be of course but he hasn’t proved that). The fact the Household Calvary ride through the streets of London doesn’t mean someone didn’t see ghost horses. Two things can be true simultaneously. You can’t lump everything in one big sack labelled “woo” and toss it out like garbage because it doesn’t suit you…. Or you can I guess but it doesn’t make you blindingly intelligent.

But they can. ALL of these "experiences" are easily explainable by simple science. None of it is difficult.
All mediums are fake. Ghost horses aren't real. The laws of physics are not changeable to suit the needs of those who like to imagine themselves special and different.

Eh? What if someone has applied their critical thinking skills and come to the judgement that these events are possible, along with various other possibilities? Or do you only classify it as critical thinking when their beliefs align with your own? Your critical thinking skills are so sharp that they tell you that a person whose idea's are at odds with your own must be a 'moron'?

I certainly didn't vote for Brexit, I voted remain. This has no bearing on me being comfortable with the reality that I, nor anyone else, has all the answers 😆I'm not afraid of the unknown and it's not a threat that others have opposing ideas to my own. What I struggle with is people being intolerant and belittling others because of this. We can do better than that can't we?

Surely the laws of physics have evolved over the years, as we gain new knowledge? The Mars dust, for example?

No, the laws of physics have always remained the same. Our knowledge of them has changed. But not, actually, very much.

Really? As I understand it, they are different in different parts of the universe?

It quite a logical assumption to think that we don’t know everything about time and the universe.

It is. But that doesn't mean that absolutely anything is possible.

What we do know is that there isn't a spot in Liverpool where people regularly time travel.

Science not knowing everything is always bandied as an excuse for how any random thing might be true, we just don't know yet, but that's just not at all how that works. I mean, MAYBE its possible that you could actually fly, and you just haven't worked out how to throw yourself off a building and forget to hit the ground. But I imagine, you, like me, are going to trust the law of gravity and not test it any time soon.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/five-scientific-explanations-spooky-sensations-180973436/

The haunted Coventry lab one is well known.

With time slips I'd look less at physics and more at studies of the human brain - our reality is a construct of our brain from sensory inputs - we don't see all electromagnetic spectrum and we don't hear all sounds and the brain has system quirks - it's well know the brain will make stuff up to fill in blanks - that turned up in TV shows like House.

This is sound:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2124214-your-brain-fills-gaps-in-your-hearing-without-you-realising/#:~:text=We've%20known%20since%20the,perceptual%20restoration%20%E2%80%93%20has%20been%20difficult.

This is sight
https://www.gla.ac.uk/news/archiveofnews/2011/april/headline_194655_en.html

I'd be expecting "science" to look at the brains of people who have one off time slips and at locations where many people are experience the phenomenon at what odd about locations sensory wise.

What we do know is that there isn't a spot in Liverpool where people regularly time travel.

I'd quite like to go back to a night in the Time Tunnel as a twenty one year old.

There could be a place in Liverpool that causes some people to experience hallucinations. There used to be a bar that sold double vodka for £1, after all.

I think I know which one you mean and I had the same reaction to the "sceptic expert". I'm not saying that I agreed it was a haunting but in the podcast I listened to he kept going on about how tired the parents must have been because they had a new baby and then tried to disprove the whole haunting by setting up an extreme tiredness simulation with various participants. There was no indication whatsoever that the simulation was anything like what the owners of the house were living through when the experiences happened (unless there was a whole section of the interview with the owners that the podcasters cut out. )

All of that said, I also didn't think the investigators were very dogged in who they were interviewing about the experience of this farmhouse. I get that some people don't want to go on record but there is a whole layer of enquiry they missed but would have been interesting, from an an entertainment/research perspective.

I do agree with you on that front.
I just think that until you can prove otherwise then there is a possibility things can be true no matter how weird and wonderful they seem.
The thing we know to be definitely true is that we see the world through our own limited human experience.