AIBU to believe FIL time slip experience?

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FIL was round yesterday evening for dinner with his wife. We were talking about the Uncanny podcast & recent TV episode then he told us of two experiences he'd had in the same place a number of years apart. After I went & did some research & asked a couple questions today, he's told us of another experience he had in the same place that was similar to one of the other experiences but that happened when he as a child.

I'm quite sceptical about paranormal type events I guess because I've never witnessed anything myself but am generally quite open minded. I don't believe FIL to be the type to make this sort of thing up & he was almost unwilling to tell us in case we thought he was crazy. He's never told anyone before.

AIBU to think what he experienced could've been real? In one of the instances he interacted with people in the past, his recall was quite genuine & he had some significant detail that you couldn't just make up. Has anyone else experienced a time slip or some other paranormal event they couldn't explain? I'm intrigued!

I used to live in a haunted house, nobody ever really believes until you experience something. I’m pretty open minded now and never was before

What we do know is that there isn't a spot in Liverpool where people regularly time travel

We don't know that. There is no scientific evidence for it, but we don't know that it doesn't exist.

ALL of these "experiences" are easily explainable by simple science. None of it is difficult.

I’d love you to explain my experience by science. You could certainly assert that inwardly I might have been concerned about my husband going flying with friends, though I knew the pilot was experienced and had no reason to be concerned. The weather was fine where I was. The plane crashed because it flew into the only storm cell in the southeast of England on that day. The pilot, though he had twenty years experience, had never flown in snow and he misjudged the angle of banking to get out of the cell because he knew they were near Gatwick airspace, (but it was a small single engined four seater and didn’t have the equipment of a larger plane) so the wings gave way and the plane dived into a hillside. You could explain the depression I felt and the images of wreckage I was experiencing by my disturbance at the voice I heard.

But I cannot logically explain why I heard a voice in M&S when nobody was standing near me, saying something so specific, and then discovering not then but a full year later that the time I heard the voice was exactly the time the plane crashed. I should say that the experience of hearing the voice was so weird that I particularly noticed the time it happened.

Reported this uber offensive poster

Reported for what, exactly?

As the saying goes, you can't prove a negative. If you're going to state that there's a portal to the past on a high street in Liverpool, it's on you to prove it.

As a child I had common episodes of de ja vous. I would suddenly find myself in a situation and know I had dreamt/been in it before. I could try to manipulate events but the outcome normally stayed the same. They were always really unhelpful snippets of time. I get it much more rarely now but sometimes they still happen. I would always proclaim to my family "oh I've dreamt this" as it was always family related and everyone would just be like oh another de ja vous like it was normal. To be honest I've only just cottoned on that it's not that common.😂

You cannot blather about simple science as newamsterdam does. Science is challenging, confounding, astonishing, pushing through assumptions every day.

The universe is a wondrous puzzle dedicated scientists, physicists, work on every day, it transcends politics. It's pure, honest, perturbing. What politicians, countries do with it is up to them.

What a ridiculous start to a thread! People arguing over whether ‘it’ could have happened when you haven’t said what ‘it’ is. Classic. Yes I know you’ve probably said a bit more now. I’m just amazed at the ridiculous situations AIBU gets itself into!

deja vu is a common issue with a neurological basis. It's linked to temporal lobe epilepsy, aura migraines and drugs. It also appears to be genetic.
You're partly talking about deja reve though.

It's all neurological, no woo nonsense needed.

You did just refer to people as morons for their beliefs.

And which rule does that break, exactly? It wasn't personal to any poster.

I believe her father saw a ghost, there is no reason to doubt that element, scientific or otherwise.

People do make these things up or amplify them but I also believe people genuinely do also have these experiences.

I don't happen to believe ghosts are supernatural beings, mind.

Science is a wondrous puzzle alright. So stop cheapening it by thinking you can use it as a safety net for anti-science woo wankery.

Of course there is every reason to doubt that element, because he did not see a ghost.

Its entirely possible he genuinely thinks he saw a ghost, but that is not the same thing.

People do not see things that do not exist. They imagine they do.

I always thought that deja vu was when your brain recognises that it has already experienced an event but there is a split second delay in brain communication, so while it recognises the familiarity it doesn't know that it's just a delay in messaging and it feels like you lived the event some time ago.

Depends which definition of ghost you are using @newamsterdam.

If it's "a faint secondary image caused by a fault in an optical system, duplicate signal transmission, etc" rather than "an apparition of a dead person which is believed to appear or become manifest to the living, typically as a nebulous image", then I think that's closer to what a ghost actually is- a fault in the optical system of your mind/your eyes. Sometimes caused by low frequency sound, suggestion, instinctive reactions to fear, and then more than one person sees it at the same time.

People do make these things up or amplify them but I also believe people genuinely do also have these experiences.

I don't doubt people have these experiences but I do think environmental factors and neurological factors would explain vast bulk.

UFO are reported mostly by professional pilots with no reason to lie or make things up and some prove to be rare meteorological phenomenon, some are weather balloons/stealth radar/drones etc and some are unexplained either because no one investigated/there wasn't enough evidence to explain or because no one had a provable or likely explanation that fitted observed facts.

Just because there isn't an obvious rational explication to hand doesn't mean people are lying - just that it may not be caused by what they think it was.

@LadyBird1973 what's the name of the film please?

"I did read a great short story once (it was made into a film that's on Amazon ) about people travelling back in time all the time and changing our current reality."

I'm rubbish at astronomy (I try, but my eyes glaze over), but...

...doesn't the earth orbit along the same path, so couldn't it be in the same place? As long as all the timeslips happen when/because the earth's correctly aligned, then people would be OK & not in deep space?

(Expanding universe, spiral galaxy etc notwithstanding - how much difference would they make?)

Or the timeslips could fit into the 'stone tapes' theory.

@DonttouchthatLarry it's called Needle in a Timestack and it's based on a short story of the same name by Robert Silverberg. I'd advise trading the story first. It's a bit of an odd film but I really enjoyed it and thought it was an interesting idea.

@newamsterdam deja vu is a common issue with a neurological basis. It's linked to temporal lobe epilepsy, aura migraines and drugs. It also appears to be genetic.
You're partly talking about deja reve though.

It's all neurological, no woo nonsense needed.

Can you clarify, please? Are you contending that deja reve is neurological, too?

I'm not contending it, its a known fact. Same as deja vecu, entendu, etc.

Earth’s orbit around the Sun doesn’t follow the exact same path but I think the bigger issues would be the other two you that you reference - that the Sun itself is orbiting the centre of the Milky Way (at a rate of about half a million miles per hour, with an orbit that takes 230 million years to complete) and the Milky Way itself moves at about 1.3 million miles per hour.

Even just in relation to the centre of our (rapidly moving) galaxy, Earth would only be in a roughly-similar position once every 230 million years.

@newamsterdam Thank you. I would've thought that deja vu etc are amenable to a neurological explanation, but deja reve surely has two variants: one in which a person thinks/feels that they've dreamed about this exact event but has shown no evidence of such a dream having occurred prior to the 'dreamed of' event happening (this seems exactly like deja vu), & one in which someone has a dream, talks about it to others or writes about it and then the dream happens in reality. That seems to be a different kettle of fish.